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Old Mar 19, 2013 | 11:04 am
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AlohaDaveKennedy
 
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And then there are cards that earn kilometers.... Figure 2% is a good figure. The Chase card is good for actual miles and does magic card tricks. Get the card and you can do those magic card tricks!

Originally Posted by eyc
I've been really confused about credit cards with "miles" rewards. I recently obtained the Capital One Venture Card because of their rewards program. As I'm sure most of you know, the benefits can be summed up as follows:
  1. For every dollar you spend, you get 2 "miles."
  2. The "miles" can be used for any travel-related expense.
My problem is that these aren't really miles in the conventional sense -- i.e., frequent flyer miles. In particular, the "miles" that you get from Capital One are redeemed by doing the following: You first purchase a travel-related item with your Capital One card (e.g., $100 airline ticket), and then you go into your online account, and use your "miles" to "erase" the cost.

To "erase" the $100 airline ticket, you need to use 10,000 of your "miles." In order to have accumulated 10,000 miles, you would have had to to spend $5,000 dollars (i.e., two miles per dollar). Thus, you are saving $100 for every $5,000 you spent, or, in other words, 2%.

Despite that this is still a pretty good deal (on most cards, you only get 1 point per dollar), I think it is disingenuous to call these "miles." These are just points; you cannot redeem these miles with any airlines for actual flights. For example, if you go on AA.com and look at the price of round-trip tickets from Chicago to Rome, you'll see that it will cost you over $1,600. But, if you search by miles, you can get the exact same flight for 60,000 AA frequent flyer miles. But, of course, 60,000 Capital One "miles" would only get you $600 in value, not $1,600.

Anyway, I'm just surprised that this is not more frequently discussed. I think it's borderline false advertising to call these "miles." With that all said, what are the best cards for actual miles?

I tried looking into the Mileage Plus Explorer card by Chase because I fly United a lot, but, to my extreme annoyance, I was unable to determine from their website whether you are getting real miles or fake miles.
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