Why do people bother to "debate" TSORon? It is such a waste of time. The pig-in-the-mud analogy is quite apt. There is simply nothing to be gained-- you will not convince him because he always knows better and is always right, and even when he is provably wrong, he still thinks he is right in insists he is. It is depressing to know my tax dollars pay his wages, and there are enough depressing things in life without taking extra time out of my day to have the fact that my tax dollars being pissed away to pay people like TSORon shoved in my face. These are good threads to avoid unless you like wasting time.