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Old Sep 17, 2012 | 8:50 am
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svft
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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Originally Posted by rickolis
However, Amsterdam Schiphol kiosks also accept regular non-chipped US debit cards.
Originally Posted by othermike27
First in-country use was at the Wiesbaden train station buying S-bahn tickets to Frankfurt from an agent. She asked if the card was new and had to swipe it 2-3 times; also stuck it in the chip reader. Finally OK and sold us 2 round-trip tix for about 27 Euros. No signature required, and no PIN requested.

In Frankfurt, tried to buy 2 "Frankfurt Card" day passes for unlimited tram/bus use. Could not get the card accepted in 3 different ticket machines. Standing in slow-moving line at a busy ticket office and getting very crabby, wife suggests "why don't you just use cash?" <Oh, Duh!> Back to the ticket machine which happily accepts cash and off we go.

Later, back in Wiesbaden, I try the card at a bus stop ticket machine - no luck. Machine asks for PIN which I enter, then the transaction is denied. And yes, I used the right PIN. Possible explanations why my unattended transactions didn't work: (1) I missed some essential step in directions (I speak some German, but have no prior experience with European ticket kiosks); (2) the transaction was too small, so machine wanted a cash payment - got no indication of this, however. Can't come up with any others.

Over next 2 weeks, used the AFCU card about 10 times for various transactions, mostly small (Euro 20-50). All were in-person with hotels or merchants, accepted with no problem, and all required my signature. On most of these, the card was read with a swipe reader. On one big purchase (Euro 950), the merchant swiped the card, then stuck the chip end into a chip reader, and I was asked to sign, but no PIN required.

Bottom line: I have yet another working VISA card, but no idea whether it works at unattended kiosks, which is why I went through the hassles to get it in the first place.
Both of these reports are consistent with what I've been saying.
I believe: From what I know of the differences (which, I guess could be incomplete), the card appears to be a CHIP-AND-SIGNATURE card. It does work where a CHIP-ONLY, CHIP-AND-SIGNATURE card works. But NOT where CHIP-AND-PIN *ONLY* is required.

Would love to hear someone use it on a machine that ONLY accepts CHIP-AND-PIN cards *at the amount being charged*. There isn't one in this entire thread in any country SFAIK.
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