All right, I see we're not getting anywhere on subject. You clearly have your strong opinions on the matter.

And no, feeling silly even answering this question, I do not really believe all those families with noisy kids are expats flying to see relatives.

On the other hand, since I've been an expat here in Asia for many years now, I do know that it's very common for families with young children, and yes sometimes infants, to travel back to their home countries during holiday brakes to meet with their families.

During summer time, you can find yourself traveling on airplanes where the majority of the passengers are in fact families traveling with kids. Sure, perhaps you can "control" your business schedule, so you don't have to travel between, lets say HKG and FRA in July and August. But what happens if you must travel during these months, which I have done several times? I mean, there's pretty big chance some of these kids will "impose on you". So what's your solution to this? Should families not visit their home countries during summer holidays, or should "other people" just avoid to travel during these times?

Or if you need to travel during this time of the year, do you, like when you're flying in Italy with italiens, assume you're flying with many families, and then it somehow makes it OK? (on a side note; I lived in Italy for several years, which of course don't make me an expert on the subject, but yeah I do sometimes find it a bit more "lively", as does my Italien friends compared to lets say fly with LH, etc. And of course, there's nothing wrong with this. Again, we're all different)

This is just an example, and I do know that children travels all the time, but they do tend to travel more during the summer (at least when it comes to long haul flights = expats traveling during their brakes. And yes, and I'm pretty certain you know this, there are quite a few expats families living in Asia now a days. Probably more than when you grew up, hens more kids traveling on long haul flights. But then again, what do I know which generation you're part of.)

And how about when families move from one place to another, and to get to their new home, the actually need to fly there (yeah, even long haul). Should the parents leave their young kid behind, or should they wait to move before, as you so well put it (see below); "bring 'em 'til you know they're old enough to control their behavior"? What do you then tell your employer, if that's the reason for the move? Or is this an exemption to be "allowed" to travel with young children who might impose on the other, poor, passengers?

So you really mean that parents with infants, or very young children, should think twice before they travel with them? And this is because they can "impose on you" (and of course other passengers)?

And the snoring guy actually do have control after all. If he/she knows that they snore, all they have to do, like your solution for parents flying with "noisy" kids, don't board any airplanes. Solution solved. But what happens when they actually do have to fly (for different reasons, work might be one of them). Should they stay awake the whole flight? That would be considerate of them, wouldn't it? But then again, what happens if they stay awake the whole flight (lets say it's a flight between HKG and LAX = approx 14.5 hours) and then they have an important business meeting that same day they arrive. Perhaps, just because they had to stay awake that whole flight, so they didn't impose on, lets say, you, the meeting is a disaster because they are so tired and can't focus. And for that very reason, everything goes down the drain = no deal made, no new money, no new jobs, etc. for this company. All this just because they had to stay awake so that they didn't impose on the other passengers.


(and when is that, if my ask? If, like mentioned in a previous post, perhaps the parents never taken the kid on a plane before, how should they know beforehand, even if the kid is 5-10 years old, what will happen once they are airborne? Perhaps they will do everything in their power to calm the kid down, but what ever they try, the kid is terrified and don't know what to do with the current situation. Or perhaps every kid who travel for the first time, should take a class with their parents so that they'll know what might happen?)

By the way, how do you react when you see young drivers? After all, teen drivers ages 16 to 19 are four times more likely than older drivers to crash. So when should we be allowed to drive a car? Is there an age thing, or should there be more test done before one is allowed out in the traffic with others? But how about older drivers (+70)? I mean, they have perhaps driven a car their whole life, but I'm guessing not everyone is as "alert/focus" as they were back in there 30-50's. So if you happen to choose to drive a vehicle, there's not much you can do about other drivers behavior, is it? You have to interact with others, even if you don't want them there, still there they are, making all sorts of "trouble" for you while you slowly and carefully try to navigate your way from A to B. Without, of course, imposing on others.)