Originally Posted by
Richelieu
Much likely? Yes. But you can't exclude it won't. To maximize chance it will be accomodated, many solutions have been given in this thread. For example, apologizing in advance for snoring, or asking to be nudged if you're disturbing other. Good behaviour often causes better behaviour by others, and you'll find that educated people won't disturb you even if you've asked beforehand. Especially if you've asked beforehand.:
Of course you cannot exclude it. One cannot exclude that today one is going to catch an infection. One cannot exclude that one will be stopped by the cops for speeding: but
we do not count on it. Hence my point was, maybe there can be some inconsiderate jerk who will nudge hard, but civility should dictate otherwise. Other solutions should be tried first and a nudge as a last resort.
The other solutions are like advance info to others are good too. But a hard nudge for a complete stranger is not the first solution advocated by everyone else, only by you.
Originally Posted by
Richelieu
No, people snore and some among them are rude, for example, by doing nothing to mitigate the inconvenience to others. Or answering rudely along the line of "you've no right to silence" when someone remarks that they could change their sleeping position. And some of their neighbour aren't much better and will nudge them. :
"Some" snore and are rude. Does that make all snorers rude? This sounds suspiciously like a racist logic. Newsflash: You cannot paint all people of a kind with the same brush, in case you woke up from a centuries old coma.
Originally Posted by
Richelieu
Now that I clarified your misunderstanding, it looks like we're all agreeing then. To be clear once more: when I say that people can be killed by a car whenever they cross a road and should be careful, I am not advocating running over pedestrians, and I am not saying that people who get ran over deserved it.:
Now that you have stopped your sermons about how all people should behave and exclude snorers, we can again revert back to the first metaphor you give. Road accident, someone getting killed in it. Your thought process is inherently violent and morbid. No wonder you want exclusion zones all around you.
Originally Posted by
Richelieu
Saying that some people won't (even if they should) try to find the best solution is not the same thing as "advocating violence". Especially when the worst thing that I am supposed to advocate is something as benign as a nudge or a remark. :
sure is: you are telling others by airing your views online on what you think is the first solution. What is : nudge? You are advocating assault.
Originally Posted by
Richelieu
You don't hear me saying any advice to neigbours of snorers because I am not giving advice to non-snorers here....--- and saying "you've no right to absolute silence" doesn't strike me as the best way to ensure a the best modus vivendi for everyone involved.:
If you are not giving advise to non snorers here: what are you doing here? we have heard your views: ad nauseum. You have given suggestions of violence and assault by nudging, exclusivist scenerios that expect others to conform, and postulate road kill scenerios. Your ideas really seem to have a disturbed and jagged edge to it.
Originally Posted by
Richelieu
When you mentioned first that non-snorer should try other solutions first, I answered you that they should, indeed, do that and that FA should do their best to relocate them in that case, whenever possible. How clearer could I be?:
So what makes you repeat your ideas after that, especially as I mentioned it in my previous posts? what are you really arguing about?
Originally Posted by
Richelieu
I think there is no point in discussing with you anymore.:
The Gods of bandwidth would be pleased with that statement!
Originally Posted by
Richelieu
No. Non-snorers should know they risk to be seated by someone who will make them miserable for any reason by their bad behaviour: do you think it's a clear case of keeping out non-snorers as well? Planes would suddently be very empty
Of course I am not telling anyone to keep out non snorers. Snorers, non snorers, people with eating disorder, people who eat too much: Put 'em all in, and let them do whatever they please: whether punch each other's lights out or have an amicable conversation. But your solution to keep out snorers, just because they snore, is violent, nonsensical and borders on racist.