A few things, I will get back to adding more to this discussion as soon as i finish a deadline I'm struggling against.

Also, it must be clear that ranles makes an excellent point. He was not wrong in his statement and I'n certainly not picking on him. As noted by Gary, I really wanted to move the discussion away so as to not take away from the thread started by L Dude 7.

And I apologize that I included ranles in referring to the two "idiot's" we are for disrupting the thread out of topic. We're both something for not staying on topic and 'idiot's' was just a handy word to use. Please no offense to ranles.