Punki, I have no clue about the, "lets sing Kumbaya" psycho babble. All I know is you are wrong. You state, "I think it is even more wrong to believe that we can change our world for the better by eliminating a person we perceive has a problem or that somehow we are justified in being cruel to him/her just because we believe him/her to be less perfect that we believe ourselves to be. "

I have some names... Hitler, Stalin,etc.

The meek may be blessed... But the tanks roll right over them. Sometimes in life you have to put down the self help books and take a stand for what is right. I know the politically correct crowd will have a fit and take me to task. I respect an honest disagreement/ debate. I however completly disagree with the "let's reason with the bully" approach. Sometimes you have to stand up to the bully EVEN if you get hurt. At least you will have your own self respect. This is like chamberlin and WW1. We have traded Catman and Premex for very tempory peace. And FYI before you go down the theology path... You might take a look at the old testament. God sure had alot of an "eye for an eye" retrabution. David/ golith etc. There is such a thing as a "moral" war. There is a difference in being a peaceful person and standing by during injustice. I view all this "let's all get along" stuff as a sign of cowerdice. We as a community need to unite and say we will not accept certain types of unacceptable behavior. Until we do... you know who will continue to drive away our best members. I wouldn't trade you 10,000 you know whos for ONE PREMEX. But I guess if I read that stupid chicken soup book he'll come back...