Seems like a common thread that some difference should exist for very new contributors and those who have been around longer. This is tied to protecting the newcomers. I agree. I will give up my t-shirt chances and suggest we use "recent member" and "member". This takes care of another common thread of the "stigma" associated with junior member. I also understand those how believe we should all just be members. I propose that what ever the "pre" member is called that it only last thru the first 5 posts. That is a compromise that perhaps we can all live with. It works with Randy's system, it differentiates the newest for their own protection, and it limits the time anyone is "less than" a member.