markp, in the spirit of preserving this area of FlyerTalk for get-togethers and the personal news of the FT community, I'll close this thread, noting that you got an on-target answer to your basic question. If you have questions related to travel on a specific airline, you may want to search, then post on that specific airline forum. If your Q. is about a certain region, you may want to post on FT Travel. Ocn Vw 1K, Moderator