A Direct Question For QuietLion ………..
OK, I admit that I have posted here on FT other than as Ozstamps. The more this saga drags on, the more obvious it is that many other well known FT’ers have done/are still doing the exact same thing daily, and many serpents like
notsonewhere still refuse to reveal their regular board handles or email address. (Despite being pressured to by many others, whilst posting aggressively under those fake handles in a manner they would
never dare ordinarily.) Let us also see some disclosure THERE is my request. At least a dozen totally fake new posters have been spawned in the past week alone that I have seen.
Yes, in hindsight what I did was not a wise or sensible thing, and I now wish I had not posted many things in the past in the way I did, but what’s done is done - it can’t be undone. I apologise to anyone here on these boards it has upset in any way, and I have now owned up to it and moved on. I have personally met several dozen wonderful people from FT during my 6 months on these boards, and in my extensive travels for Christmas and New Year am planning to meet quite a few more. Divisive flames like those that have occurred in the past week are not serving
anyone’s benefit, and sorry to have been the latent cause for most of this batch.
I was not aware of
onefreeman’s wife Rae’s medical problem when I posted to him initially, and I apologised to him immediately by email when I was privately alerted to the situation, and I no longer added to those threads. He mentioned the matter himself on board soon after, so I am not “talking out of school" here.
Perhaps this past week of analysis might see
others here agree to reveal THEIR true identities and/or other handles they have used, and the air might be a lot clearer for
ALL of FlyerTalk for the future???? This then might be the
“fess up” thread for any such admissions, as there are clearly
dozens of fake ID’s out there right NOW. When I see Star Chamber or Spanish Inquisition behavior by some members of these boards, including publicly naming other quite innocent parties as being Ozstamps, and then not apologizing for that or editing them when proven wrong, it would appear there is serious blame on both sides.
QuietLion recently publicly named a other FlyerTalkers as really being Ozstamps. I rapidly advised him on board he was incorrect, as did they, and I suggested he apologise publicly to those FlyerTalkers, but he did not. To this day he has chosen NOT to even edit his quite false accusations which is simply plain
RUDE to those he falsely accused. (To put it mildly.) Some friendly “Community” here. Sometimes. Go read “Animal Farm”! If anyone here feels
that type of behaviour is fair, sensible, or is in ANY way, in the spirit of a happy, friendly, “Community”, you might well take a LONG hard look at yourself and YOUR values.
Juancho, one of those so named did respond and was called “a coward” for doing so by Camera Guy, as he did not show an email address, and ditto was blasted by Hunnybear for good measure. (But who also did not respond to the PfP question.)
I did however notice Camera Guy and others posting side by side seemingly each hour with
notsonewhere, who also has no email address, and openly admits to being a well known FlyerTalker in “real” life, too pathetic a “person” to post under his real handle. Like a bad Monty Python script.
MEFirst needed to resort to starting a thread asking for proof from accusers that he was other than who he was, denying he was I, and was curtly told to take his thread off the boards.
MukMuk and
seeyou were also just less than obliquely accused of being bogus. What utter nonsense. (The former joined FlyerTalk months before I did, and the latter in Sept 1999!) So much for fair play and natural justice around FlyerTalk at times. It has been more like a Salem Witch Hunt in the past week. A few board members armed with their $3.86 Wal-Mart “Junior Detective Kits” have made complete fools of themselves IMHO.
Quiet Lion was simply asked to answer “Yes” or “No” as to whether he was/is behind or ever connected with in any way the “PfP” army of fake posters evident on these boards over a
long period of time, as some rather interesting ‘evidence’ had allegedly indicated. Dr. PfP, Reverend PfP, Doctor PfP, Mrs. PfP etc.
QuietLion promptly responded to the question within 2 hours on-board (thank you) but tellingly, did not answer the question at all. (Despite having pilloried me non-stop for a week over duplicate board ID.) And has been a
VERY “Quiet” Lion ever since.
I ask it again, as have several others publicly on the boards. I never claimed QuietLion was behind the PfP’s, indeed said I doubted it, but quite simply posed the very simple question. I have been judged guilty by many here for choosing
not to respond promptly to a similar question and specific thread wording on another Forum, so do hope the same Wild West justice rules also apply to
all FlyerTalkers. (Read “Animal Farm” again.) Perhaps if the PfPs were
not QuietLion their real “creator” will step forward? Perhaps the moon is made of green cheese?
So, I ask that question once again QuietLion. If you do have nothing to hide, you I am sure will be delighted to quickly clear the air on this one in the wider interests of a fully informed FT Community?
Other than that answer (or the clear conclusions drawn from the lack of a one word answer) I hope the flames will settle now, for the good of FlyerTalk in general, and in the spirit of Christmas goodwill, and disappear into the archives of FlyerTalk. I will certainly
not be prolonging this by an on-board debate, which as many senior heads have urged me, is fruitless in the longer term. I do however, thank those many sensible senior members of FlyerTalk, indeed lots of FlyerTalkers in general, for their private input and thoughts by email in this matter.
Those posters on the flame threads are offset but 1000s declining to do so. I do hope the only responses to this thread are from
REAL user ID’s, from REAL FT’ers. ANY other responses will show the hypocrisy of those not prepared to stand behind their usual FT user name. Why not demand each fake poster to this thread identify themselves publicly and start a new standard for at least one FT thread?? The events of the past week may be the start, albeit painful, of a new, more transparent and open era on Flyer Talk? This thread may also degenerate into another flame war presided over by fakes users. The “Community” right now can call the shots on which way the posts go from here. Over to you.
And the final words I will post are from the cowardly
notsonewhere himself, who said on December 7:
About revealing my identity, I'll think about it. Who cares? But let me say that even if ...
members here would lend more credence to your words if they knew who was actually saying them.
... then what?
I think a lot of people here
should care who this spineless person is. You still have an unhooded festering, ulcerous sore among you folks, if you go back and study all the posts of this “person”. (sic) Several of you now have his/her ISP from emails, so
IF the will is there, so is the answer. If the suggested ISP logging of
ALL FT posters by Randy does take place with the new software, I would be the first to support it.
Notsonewhere would be victim #1.
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Glen ~
[This message has been edited by ozstamps (edited 12-13-2000).]