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Old Aug 17, 2011, 1:04 am
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Speaking of comments, here are the uncensored comments so far. Sorry that I haven't had time to take any of these comments into account for data analysis so far.

I was seriously considering switching to DL even without proposed changes! Even with some of the changes discussed, it would be no brainer for me - I would leave 100%.
#1 Priority: I'm 0.75MM with UA. If the program will not allow me to reach *G at 1MM BIS as I expected when I started out with UA, then I'm likely to become a "cheapest fare on expedia.com" kind of guy. #2 Priority: Integrity of SWUs
"anonymous because UACO knows me and my FT handle.

bottom line -- upgrades by fare before status would hurt me. everything else won't impact me significantly."
"Because of difficulty finding upgrade space on UA's popular transpacific routes in the recent past, I have shifted that spend to the most inexpensive Star Alliance C flights. With the proposed change of prioritizing miles and copay higher, I may now be more likely to roll the dice with UA and see if I get the upgrade (this is particularly for SFO-HKG), especially since the spend will ensure I get Gold status. However, if I see upgrades are still tough to come by with this scheme, that will be one less reason for me to stick with UA over the long haul.

I only take this route a little more than once a year on average, but my Asia trips represent half my spend. This new scheme will give an opportunity to get my Asia business back more consistently, but lack of upgrade space could push me away more, when also taking in account I will only receive a 50% RDM bonus going forward anyways."
Changes may make me give up 1K and settle for "Gold"--depending on changes to MM Program
Current 1P but will be 1K in 2012. The projected differences are based on the assumption that I would be able to attempt (and complete) an AA EXP Challenge.
E+ is the biggest deal. Revenue requirement is next.
For non-US based flyers these rumoured changes are really bad as we cannot fly the new UA domestically, and therefore meeting the revenue requirements is pushing EU based flyers away and seem not be to considered relevant anymore. I'll prefer to fly Skyteam again, which is easier in any case since AMS is not very *StarAlliance in any case.
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"I have been a UA customer for well over 20 years and have been a 1K continuously for the past 10 years. During this time, I have gone out of my way to book ALL of my flights on UA, even in situations in which UA cost considerably more than the competition, a not infrequent occurrence. I'm currently within one year of achieving TWO million mile status, I'm already Star Gold for life and all of my travel is discretionary. I have never undertaken a mileage run and will requalify for 1K this year by early September. When that happens, I will have 12 unused SWUs at my disposal.

Based on the rumors thus far, I will not book another revenue trip for this year or next. What happens next depends on what UA reveals when they announce the official Mileage Plus changes next month. If their new Mileage Plus scheme is anything even remotely like what was recently leaked, that will put an end to my future purchases with this airline. In the future, I'll undertake a couple of international trips each year using miles and will book the cheapest fare available on ANY airline for my domestic travels.

Coupled with the recent spate of service diminutions for an already subpar F and C product, I have had enough. I am losing all faith in this airline and chasing status on UA is just not worth it to me any more. Upon reflection, its almost a relief. plus I'll end each year with a lot more money in my pocket than if I continued to be loyal to this sad shadow of what was once my favorite airline."
I love the revenue component and all of the other changes. It's about time those who pay a lot are considered over those who fly a lot at bottom dollar.
I represent a group that travels internationally and they travel with me.
I think it would be important to ask about MM status. I know that the rumors didn't include that, but for those who are current MM with UA, it would be interesting to understand the impact.
I will take my int'l travel to NZ and LH and will purchase the cheapest fare on JetBlue, Frontier or UA...no more loyalty!!
"If status goes to revenue, we'll stop flying. If upgrades are no longer based on status, we'll stop flying. At least we'll save a bunch of money...

Note that I'm only going based on what's printed in this survey. The signal-to-noise ratio in the FT thread is too low, and I'm not about to read it."
If the changes go through, I'll switch most or all of my flying to AA. If AA duplicates the changes, I'll switch to JetBlue and/or Virgin America for domestic travel and to foreign carriers for my international travel, which is almost exclusively business class.
If these rumors are tru, I will be looking at option, in fact I am already.
I'm an AA PLT. I'll focus my flying with them in 2012 if the revenue change (esp. if Type B vouchers don't count towards it) goes through.
I'm flying AA in 2012. I'm done with Jeff & COdbaUA.
I'm to concerned about the silvers sorry. I will always qualify for 1k if continue to fly UA. I'm most concerned about upgrade priority. Some flights I fly are full fare while others aren't. I don't purposely pay full price unless I have to. That being said when I do fly on a lower fare I don't appreciate a silver jumping ahead of me for an upgrade on their limited travel.
Increased spending only because of fare price inflation.
Its no fun as an UACO elite now and these changes would only make matters worse.
Me and my wife both fly Ua for leisure and we both are in grad school getting our Ph.Ds. If the rumored changes are to be coming true, I will cease flying united and move to Delta where I have gold status. We both buy some occasional Z fares to Asia, but cannot compete on a daily basis on our transcons with business travelers who are flying using company money. Besides that, since we are a university we can only buy the cheapest economy fare for conferences. I have spent over 13K on airfare this year on United, but if I am only treated based on my fare class for the day, then I will take all of that business elsewhere.
My status varies from year to year, lately trending downward. If Premier/Silver can't select E+ at time of booking, I have ZERO incentive to fly UA. A lot of us have to split our flying, and I would likely consolidate on AA.
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Relative Impact question (description) wording is a bit confusing.
SWU devaluation is main concern
THANKS FOR POSTING THIS SURVEY, JOB WELL DONE!
"The program makes no sense economically and actually alienates not only elites but also higher paying customers by rewarding non-elites who buy upgrades instead of full fare First or Business.

The reduced bonus for 1P's and low upgrade status makes being in the program pointless. Better to shop around for lowest fare possible and buy upgrades when wanted. Overall, that would mean less money going to United and possibly less money spent total. "
This is amazing. No more kettles or mileage runners in F
While I am not impacted by the current revenue requirements, they do provide UACO with the option to consistently increase those requirements, once the basic model is in place. My concern is that they would do just that. The change in upgrade priority is very disconcerting: spend on a single ticket > loyalty and spend on many, many tickets. No bueno.
Why spend more than $20K--that get's you Diamond and a bunch of SWUs whose value is nearly worthless under rumored changes.
Would abandon UA if any of these changes affecting 1Ps were adopted
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