Originally Posted by
TheGolfWidow
It's not another thread at all. As a practical matter, people whose career involves traveling by air, cannot, for the most part, simply turn around and walk away from the checkpoint. Most people, as a practical matter, need to work, and suggesting that the answer to this is to quit flying (ergo, quit working) is totally impractical (among other things.)
The legal question is a non-starter; this is about whether people can continue as a practical matter, to pursue their livelihood, and whether it is appropriate for our government to require their genitals be inspected in order to get to work.
This is what I'm hearing... iirc, the TSA says that they don't touch our privates, unless it's to resolve an issue, which starts at pat-down #2. Personally, the rubbing is a bit much, yet hey, such is life. And do I agree that the government should not touch us, without cause or suspicion, during an administrative search? Absolutely. Anyway, first pass is supposed to be genital-free.
Yet... people who travel say they are being genital-touched, and they're tolerating it (
which is what it fundamentally sounds is happening), to continue to travel. Which if all of this is true, the complaint isn't about
what is happening, it's about
how it's being done. If someone decides to continue employement that requires travel, and they choose to continue travel, then, imo, they have to take more ownership of fixing the "how".
What I see is the lack of a cohesive, decisive, measurable plan to coerce the TSA to deliver the very product they say they are committed to delivering.
Originally Posted by
mybodyismyown
This lying to us about what will be touched makes a mockery of the idea of "consent". We don't know what we're consenting to!
And hence my opinion that the citizenry, flyers or not, now have a responsibility to get this word out, that not only
what the TSA is doing is wrong (
a political issue, as only the political position of Administrator can change this), yet
how the TSA is doing their mandate (
which is operational, and can be dealt with directly).
Originally Posted by
jtodd
Don't include me in your "we". This is not what I signed up for when I enlisted in the Marine Corps. I don't remember anything about "I will destroy the Constitution.." when giving my oath. I told my representatives I didn't want the patriot act or the TSA back when this was getting started. There are those in this country that enjoy building walls and prisons, I am not one. Without taking this to Omni, I'll just post this from the linked article.
We are all part of the citizenry, some able to vote, some not. This mess was brought to exist by elected officials, and must be changed by elected officials.
Originally Posted by
janetdoe
Phoenix? Again? Really?!? At some point the stories circulating about the Phoenix airport are going to have a serious impact on Arizona tourism.
As best I can tell, PHX is a disaster, and if I'm wrong, someone speak up. The DFSD and DAFSD-S positions appear vacant, and I can't find any reference to the AFSD-S position being filled. That means that the FSD (
no matter how good or bad he is) is spinning plates by himself, and the TSM (
if there is one) and below has no guidance or leadership. And if the PHX LE's see it's open-season, it's not unreasonable to expect that one path is the LE's over-ruling the TSOs on everything. PHX, by some, would be considered anarchy.
If you think PHX is bad, imagine what HNL could be like (
with the current leadership vacuum). The FSD, DFSD, and AFSD-S positions are all vacant, presumably from fall-out from the un-screened luggage fiasco. The only probable reason it's still moving tin is that the Deputy Area Director (
the acting-FSD) is presumably kicking chairs at every meeting.