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Old Jul 23, 2011 | 9:35 am
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Originally Posted by Caradoc
But going through the legal process would mean that they'd have to be on the same footing as passengers - and TSA employees invariably think they're better than the passengers.

I think TSA clerks who "karate-chop" people's genitals during the so-called pat-down should be taken out to the front of the terminal and dance to "Danny Deever."

But we all know that TSA clerks will never be held accountable for their behavior. They'll be "retrained," like the ones that screwed up screening on Tom Sawyer *twice*. And the retraining will never be effective because they're being "trained" by people who teach them that the "pat-down" is a punitive measure.
(bolding mine). What has just been posted here is all too prevalent on the floor - that the patdown is a valid punitive measure and we have here a TSO (real or alleged) going on record as supporting use of the grope as a punitive measure.

The problem is, the grope is already used as a punitive measure by individual TSOs.

It's the difference between proper legal remedies and a crude form of 'vigilante justice'.

What's with the double standards? Zero tolerance for pax, endless forgiveness for TSOs?

If a pax who slaps a TSO should always be prosecuted and should always be penalized for life (so a frequent flyer is SSSS every time, a one-time flyer is ...never SSSS again, yeah, that's appropriate), then a TSO who steals should be prosecuted by the TSA and banned from government service for life.

Perhaps a pax slaps a TSO, that pax should be 'retrained' a few dozen times. Now that to me would seem as appropriate as all the TSA retraining going on.

TSO 'karate chops' pax, clearly visible on the tapes, etc. TSO is sent for 'retraining' - watch a video and patdown five co-workers, good to go.

Pax reacts to 'karate chop' and strikes TSO. Pax is fined $11k, pax will be groped every time pax flies for life..

The grope should never ever be used as a punitive measure, under any circumstances, and the fact that a TSO clearly sees that as appropriate is really disturbing. Perhaps TSOs should be sent for additional gropes instead of retraining whenever they screw up.

I wonder what additional punishment Bart would recommend for someone who 'slaps' a groper, perhaps in response to an unexpected jolt of pain from a poorly administered grope - what additional punishment would Bart recommend for a pax who is physically unable to use the NoS? By virtue of the physical limitations, that pax is already SSSS for life.

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