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Food quality at our favorite luxury hotels

Since there are more and more discussions about food quality at Amanresorts, Four Seasons and other luxury resorts in Flyertalks Luxury Forum, I think it could be interesting to rate and rank them within the various chains. So in this thread, I would like to give you the possibilty to rank the food at our Luxury Hotel Favorites according to the following, very strict deer-criteria:

10 deerpoints: 3 Michelin star creativity & quality (according to your judgement)
9 deerpoints: 2 Michelin star creativity & quality
8 deerpoints: 1 Michelin star creativity & quality
7 deerpoints: highly creative food with spices you never tasted before
6 deerpoints: creative food with some real unique dishes
5 deerpoints: very good luxury-hotel food with real local spices
4 deerpoints: good luxury-hotel food with some local accents
3 deerpoints: standard luxury-resort food nicely presented
2 deerpoints: boring standard 5-star-hotel food with loveless presentation
1 deerpoints: untasty food with quality problems
0 deerpoints: real lousy food

Please be so nice and stick to that criteria - because at a top luxury hotel, you could expect to experience some really special and creative food, not just plain good quality. It means for example, if you had a perfectly made steak with fries or a very good fish, perfectly made like at your favorite non-gourmet hometown restaurant, then it's NOT 6 or 7 points, but - depending on the creativity of the rest of the menu! - only 3 to 4 deerpoints. From 6 points on, food must be really excellent, creative and unique - and local dishes must be cooked with real local spices, only moderated if you specifically ask for mild.

Always keep in mind: PLAIN GOOD FOOD MEANS 3 DEERPOINTS (not more!) - since at real luxury hotels, that's the minimum one should expect! In fact, I expect creativity, real local spices, real positive surprises. And no standardization / americanization / mildization of local spices.

Of course a hotel can get 10 points, if it has two or more restaurants and one serves good standard food, and one or two others really high creative, 3 Michelin star quality food, as does my winner FS Hongkong. Or, one star below, the 9 points for Aman at Summer Palace with it's fantastic Japanese-French Naoki restaurant, it's great Chinese restaurant and it's standard-quality The Grill. But on the other hand, a resort like Amanpulo with low quality Spanish food at Beach Club, very mediocre, americanized food at The Clubhouse only gets 1 point despite the nice lagoon club with it's tasty vietnamese cuisine, which would get 4 points, if the other restaurants were at least luxury standard...

(The pointage without brackets is my personal one, the pointage in brackets are the results from other contributors.)

FOUR SEASONS
10 deerpoints for FS Hong Kong (one of the best Chinese Restaurants worldwide with 3 Michelin stars, one French Restaurant with also 3 Michelin stars, everything else very high quality as well)
(8-10) deerpoints for Four Seasons George V, Paris.
8 deerpoints for FS Florence
8 (4) deerpoints for FS Istanbul Bosphorus
(8) deerpoints for FS New York
(8) deerpoints for FS Vancouver
(7) deerpoints for FS' RC Chicago
(7) deerpoints for FS Dublin
(6) deerpoints for FS Washington
(5) deerpoints for FS Marunouchi
4 (5) deerpoints for FS Chiang Mai
(4) deerpoints for FS Sultanahmet
(4) deerpoints for FS Langkawi
(3) deerpoints for FS Hampshire
(3) deerpoints for FS Nile Plaza
(3) deerpoints for FS Sharm-el-Sheikh
(2-9) deerpoints for FS Provence (9 for Faventia, 2 elsewhere according to Groombridge)
2 deerpoints for FS Sayan, Bali
2 deerpoints for FS Jimbaran, Bali
2 deerpoints for FS Singapore
(1) deerpoint for FS Tented Camp

AMANRESORTS
9 deerpoints for Aman at Summer Palace (fantastic Japanese-French restaurant Naoki, very good Chinese Restaurant)
8 deerpoints for Amanfayun (very, very special local style restaurants and the most special teahouse worldwide, all on premise)
7 deerpoints for Amantaka (please order the very fine and very special laotian meals!)
6 (4) deerpoints for Amanbagh
5 (3) deerpoints for Amanjiwo
5 (4) deerpoints for Amankora Paro
5 (4) deerpoints for Aman New Delhi
4 (3-5) deerpoints for Amandari
4 (4) deerpoints for Amankila
3 (5) deerpoints for Amanwana
3 (6) deerpoints for Amanyara
3 deerpoints for Amanpuri (very good Thai Restaurant, under par Breakfast, the Japanese-French Naoki restaurant has neither a Japanese Chef like the ones at Summer Palace and Aman New Delhi, nor could the cooking and the ingriedients reach the high quality of the Summer Palace Naoki)
3 (5) deerpoints for Amanusa
(2) deerpoints for Amangiri
(1) deerpoint for Aman-i-khas
1 deerpoint for Amanpulo (low quality Spanish cuisine at Beach Club, mediocre & americanized food at The Clubhouse, but nice Lagoon club with very tasty vietnamese cuisine. Generally no local fresh fish - and if it's at last semi-fresh-fish flown in from Manila, it's absurdely expensive)

GHM
6 deerpoints for Datai
6 deerpoints for Setai
6 deerpoints for Nam Hai

COMO Hotels & Resorts
8 (7) deerpoints for The Halkin London
7 deerpoints for Metropolitan London (Nobu Restaurant is part of the hotel and has Michelin Star quality, whilst breakfast is quite average)
7 (6-8) deerpoints for Metropolitan Bangkok
6 (6) deerpoints for Como Shambala Estate (formerly known as Begawan Giri)
5 deerpoints for Parrot Cay

MANDARIN ORIENTAL
9 deerpoints for MO Tokyo (three very different, fantastic Michelin starred outlets + much more...)
(8) deerpoints for MO Hong Kong
(8) deerpoints for MO Prague
6 deerpoints for MO Munich (they have a Michelin Star restaurant, which could be slightly more creative)
6 deerpoints for MO New York
(5) deerpoints for MO London (maybe now 7 or 8 after the arrival of Blumenthal?)
5 deerpoints for The Oriental, Bangkok (they have a lot of good restaurants, but each one lacks a little bit in real creativity and uniqueness. Something inhibits them from having something real special.)
5 deerpoints for MO Chiang Mai
4 deerpoints for MO Kuala Lumpur

HYATT
7 deerpoints for PH Tokyo
(7) deerpoints for GH Tokyo (specifically for Roku Roku Sushi by MikeFromTokyo)
6 deerpoints for PH Saigon
(6) deerpoints for PH Paris
(5) deerpoints for PH Washington
4 deerpoints for PH Shanghai
4 deerpoints for PH Milan
4 deerpoints for PH Beijing (without The Private Room, it's authentic Cantonese Cuisine and it's special setting it would be definitely less)
4 deerpoints for GH Berlin
3 deerpoints for PH Hamburg (good standard, but nothing special)

PENINSULA
(6) deerpoints for Pen Tokyo
4 deerpoints for Pen Bangkok

SHANGRI-LA
(7) deerpoints for SL Tokyo

RITZ-CARLTON
9 deerpoints for RC Wolfsburg
(5) deerpoints for RC Central Park, NYC
(5) deerpoints for RC Georgetown, Washington
4 deerpoints for RC Berlin

ROSEWOOD:
(7) deerpoints for San Miguel del Allende
(5) deerpoints for Mayakoba
(4) deerpoints for Las Ventanas al Paraiso

ROCCO FORTE:
4 deerpoints for Brown's Hotel, London
4 deerpoints for Hotel de Russie, Rome
3 deerpoints for The Charles, Munich
1 deerpoint for Hotel de Rome, Berlin

REGENT:
8 deerpoints for Regent Berlin

OBEROI:
(5) deerpoints for Zahra
(4) deerpoints for Amarvilas
(3) deerpoints for Udaivilas

TAJ:
(5-6) deerpoints for Taj Umaid Bhawan Palace
(5) deerpoints for Taj Lake Palace

ALILA
6 (6) deerpoints for Alila Villas Soori

INDEPENDENT:
(9) deerpoints for Nimb, Copenhagen
(9) deerpoints for Berkeley, London
(9) deerpoints for Oustau de Baumaniere in Les Baux de Provence
(9) deerpoints for Manoir des Quatre Saisons, Oxfordshire
(8) deerpoints for Inverlochy Castle in Fort William, Scotland
(8) deerpoints for Auberge du Soleil, Napa Valley
8 (4-9) deerpoints for Dolder Grand, Zurich
8 (8) deerpoints for Villa Feltrinelli, Lake Garda
(8) deerpoints for Le Meurice
(8) deerpoints for The Connaught
(8) deerpoints for The Dorchester
(8) deerpoints for Elysian Chicago
6 deerpoints for Trisara, Phuket
(5) deerpoints for The Greenwich Hotel, NYC
(5) deerpoints for Anantara Qasr al Sarab, Abu Dhabi
(5) deerpoints for The Balé, Bali
(4) deerpoints for Kayumanis Ubud and Jimbaran, Bali
(4) deerpoints for JK Capri
(4) deerpoints for LimeWood, somewhere in England
(4) deerpoints for Claridges, London
4 deerpoints for Schloss Elmau, Southern Bavaria (a deserved Michelin Star for it's fine dining restaurant, whilst italian restaurant and main restaurant are only mediocre and tear the rating down from 8 to 4 stars)
4 deerpoints for Six Senses Yao Noi, Thailand
(3) deerpoints for The Savoy

*All my ranking & rating according to experiences in the last 6 years - so some things could have changed. Please correct me where I'm wrong!

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