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Old May 30, 2011 | 9:00 pm
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Originally Posted by ExAAerOnDL
First, I will take your statement as an admission that hidden-city ticketing is wrong. In that case, you cannot argue that "you are complying with the terms of each individual ticket." So I'm glad to see that you agree that hidden-city ticketing is ticketing fraud.

Second, you are not complying with the terms of the ticket when you engage in back-to-back ticketing. Your straw man claim that "Airlines have no monitoring or enforcement ability or authority over what you do with your Saturday night" is completely irrelevant. Nobody is claiming that they do. An airline doesn't care what you do with your Saturday night. They do, however, care if you are booking your tickets in a fraudulent manner.

Again, the airlines are very, VERY clear. You must not book multiplie itineraries out of order in an effort to evade fare rules like Saturday night stays. And for about the millionth time, let's look at a back-to-back itinerary.

Ticket 1, Segment 1: AAA-BBB (Tuesday)
Ticket 2, Segment 1: BBB-AAA (Thursday)

Ticket 1, Segment 2: AAA-BBB (Tuesday)
Ticket 2, Segment 2: BBB-AAA (Thursday).

This is not a nested itinerary, as the second ticket is not fully utilized before the traveler returns to the first ticket. Nor is this the straw man case where someone "takes the bus home" for one leg, resulting in asymmetric bookings. The purpose of booking the travel this way was not so that you could Go Go Greyhound. It was to avoid the fact that the airline wanted to charge you more for two mid-week itineraries on AAA-BBB than you were willing to pay, so you found a way to trick the airline into selling you two tickets for less money. Ticket 2 was booked as a BBBAAA O&D, when your true O&D was AAABBB. The proof is in the entire reason you claim for booking tickets this way - to get a lower price. So stop wrapping yourself in this Big Brother straw man.



Again, nice strawman. This has nothing to do with "what you can and cannot do when you arrive." Tickets DO include contractual language saying you cannot book itineraries designed to evade fare rules. Doing so, knowing that you are misleading the airline as to your true itinerary, as you say "IS the violation." Again, the issue here is not the question of breach, it is the question of whether you ever had any intention of honoring the contract to begin with.



Once again, your Robin Hood mentality shows its true colors. You don't like what airlines charge, so you find it within your rights to steal from them. If you don't like the price of a good or service, don't buy it. But being unhappy with a price doesn't give you the right to change the price through deceitful conduct. So don't confuse "smart" with "dishonest."

I mean, I think certain restaurants are overpriced. Does that mean I can go in, order a filet, their finest wine, dessert with a glass of incredible port, and then skip the check? Or just put what I want to pay in the bill. I mean, why should I have to support restaurants artificially high prices? I guess I could just not eat there, but that's not nearly as fun as a good old game of dine and dash, right?
I have 2 for 1 dining cards... Sometimes my wife isn't hungry. I take her along anyways. She might only eat a salad. Is that "fraud" too???
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