Originally Posted by
TSORon
Your point is only valid if one accepts your definition of “mistreated”. Mistreated is a subjective term, especially when applied to how one person acts towards another.
I think Lara's definition of mistreatment reasonably includes the act of someone's unwanted hand being stuck in her crotch
The search techniques (frisking) I was taught as a military policeman would be considered mistreatment in a civilian context (maltreatment is even closer), but were fully within policy and procedure in the venue and context of the duties I performed.
What you did and were taught as an MP is irrelevant to this discussion. We're not in the military.
If the TSO’s at the airport follow procedure and policy as they are supposed to, no one gets mistreated.
We don't know what that official procedure is. Does it involve touching of the genitals, anus, and breasts or does it not? Folks here are posting that they are being touched in those areas. That is mistreatment.
Folks like yourself may feel that they have been, but again that’s a subjective call and those rarely have anything to do with reality.
Oh? So those fellows who have posted that their genitals were manipulated around in an SOP, those women who's labia were hit hard, touched firmly, had their clitoris rubbed over in an SOP, all those folks can be dismissed? Getting your balls racked is not a subjective call. If it happened, it happened, and the jerk who did it should be fired and prosecuted.
The reality is that a specific level of security at the checkpoint is required because of the past threats and the one’s that the intelligence community tell us are on the horizon
Yeah, the same folks who assured us that there were WMD in Iraq are telling you that little 6-year old girls in skin tight clothes are fearful security risks and need a full body patdown.
and to achieve that level TSA has designed our procedures and policies.
and badly. You cannot design a search policy that violates
the very things the government is sworn to protect. You cannot subject innocent people to strip searches and genital, breast, and butt exams when those are forbidden in the very structure of the government, when these are so reprehensible to those being imposed upon. You have to design a security screening process that respects the country you live in, and the people you live with. The TSA procedures do neither.
Sorry, but you are incorrect. The technology has been in the works since long before either of those individuals worked for the TSA.
The tech has been developed over years. It could have been deployed sooner than it was. It took moral misfits in three locations, POTUS, DHS secretary, and TSA administrator to pull the trigger on whatever specious grounds they could come up with to deploy these new procedures.
Again, airport screening has been around a very long time. Since the 1970’s. And in that time the technology and procedures have continued to mature.
Not much has changed between 1970's and now, except for the electronic strip search machines. What has changed are the people, who have deteriorated significantly in their character from those times. The TSA would never have dared tried to pull this scope and grope trick had it been around back in the 70's. Now they think they are getting away with it.
Openness and honesty are exactly what one gets when dealing with the TSA.
oh, you mean all your hidden procedures? this is not open and honest.
The problem is that a certain segment of society think they know more about what TSA should be doing then the TSA does.
No, we know more about what you should NOT be doing than you do. You should not be strip searching the American people, and you should not be running your hands over our genitals, buttocks, and breasts.
And they consistently prove their ignorance every time they challenge what they are being told.
We notice that we are getting sexually imposed upon by TSA screeners' particularly noxious behavior. If anyone is ignorant, it is the TSA being ignorant of what common decency entails and what is required of them as an agency accountable to those the TSA serves.
Our policies and procedures are strongly vetted by experts in many fields.
They are not experts, they are human rejects. Anyone who thinks that strip searching innocent people and feeling over their private parts is acceptable has something wrong with them.
And the public’s dislike for something must be weighed against the advantage of doing it.
yes, the old fallback. How mad with they get? If sufficient numbers don't object, let's do it. What's right and wrong never enters into it.
Hospitals...never tell you all the gory details of what they are going to do, and sometimes they don’t even tell you why.
They will if you ask them. Many hospitals and doctors do routinely and have you sign off that you have been advised of the nature of the treatment and possible outcomes. Only idiots don't inquire into what is going to happen to them. And what does this have to do with you folks? NOTHING.
You had the opportunity to vote for the administration that is currently in power. If you chose not to vote then that is your own fault, but just in case you voted for this administration then you really have no right to complain about who they hire.
So the 60 million people who didn't vote for Obama deserve what they get because of the 69 million who DID vote for him? Great logic. and convenient. It absolves you from any responsibility for your participation in the work of the TSA in harming the citizens of this country.
And if that resistance happens to be plastic explosive? Should we stop because of an undefined or highly variable social more that can be exploited?
No, of course not, Don't stop. Just take our clothes all the way off and cavity search us. Don't let our mores stop you, or our feelings, our dignity, our reactions, or anything from us stop you.