Does anyone know the consequences, if any, of refusing both the MMW and the patdown/frisk in Canada? Are there any official CATSA rules about it? Has anyone ever tried it? If the Canadian police are called are the rules any different for a foreigner? Are you allowed to videotape Canadian police? Luckily I wouldn't have to worry about the legality of showing ID since Canada doesn't have a no-fly list. In the US a $10,000 fine and arrest are just some of the possible repercussions. How about in Canada? If it is unknown and no one has ever tried it then maybe it is up to me to find out. My plan would be to take the bus to YUL and if I get selected for the MMW to try to flee the checkpoint and then flee the country by bus, making my escape. Hehe. Actually I really would like to see what the consequences actually are. Somehow I imagine them being less draconian than in the US. All I want is to be allowed to choose not to fly rather than be strip searched or molested. Is that really asking so much?

Potential advantages of a Canadian double opt out:

1. No worries about getting a space on the dreaded no-fly list.
2. No $10,000 fine. Even if there is a fine it is doubtful they could successfully extradite me to collect it.
3. Maybe less risk of arrest. Although this is uncertain. Based on my own experiences living in Canada about 10 years ago I would suspect that the Canadian police are less likely to be out of control, corrupt, thugs, who just want to break heads and prove to themselves and the world how powerful they are. I am hoping that the chance of encountering police like the ones Phil encountered at ABQ might be less.

Disadvantages:

1. I probably can't afford to stay in Montreal long enough to reschedule a another departure at the same fare to try to make it through the gauntlet again. I do miss the city (where I used to live), and would be happy to stay a few days, but much longer than that is too expensive.

2. Less information about procedures/practices. For instance in the US it seems that I can expect something like a 10-20% chance of getting selected for the NoS. In Canada I have no idea what the chances are of being selected. Maybe it's even higher. Although in Canada the selections are genuinely random, right?

3. There are two nearby airports which don't yet have NoS at all. I could fly out of those and probably have a much greater chance of being able to actually fly that day, but the consequences of being stopped via a secondary inspection refusal might be much more serious than it would be in Canada ($10k, No-fly list, arrest, trumped up charges, violent/dangerous, out of control LEOs etc).