Originally Posted by
TSORon
Actually no, we are not. People are not allowed to strip naked at TSA checkpoints. Take coats off, shoes, yes, but not strip. The whole idea that we do otherwise is a complete lie, hyperbole.
AIT is a visual strip search pure and simple. ATR mitigates this substantially. Yes, TSA **IS** strip searching. TSA is looking at the intimate parts of our loved ones. You folks go to ATR, then this goes away in part, provided the data is not retained or renderable in the current nude body format.
This is the absolute truth and to deny it is a joke. We're not buying it.
Your version of reality has absolutely nothing to do with the facts. I have never touched anyone’s sex organs on the checkpoint. Nor have I touched anyone’s hair. But then again I search males,
The facts I point to are incontrovertible.
Does TSA feel up to the resistance or not? Yes, it does. Not everyone hits the genitals, but some or many agents do touch the genitals. In the resolution rubdown, does TSA rub the genital and sex organ area or does it not? Yes it does. That TSA agents do this through the clothing changes nothing.
If you can prove otherwise, let's hear it.
It also seems that your understanding of the fourth amendment is a bit lacking. In another thread I posted quite a number of court cases that directly address this issue.
Yes, and we pointed out the fatal flaws in your arguments in those posts. We rejected the extension of those driver license checkpoint and parolee frisk cases to the strip searches and the sex organ groping of innocent passengers not under arrest and without probable cause. We noted there that only twisted minds could possibly think this way. We noted there, and we note again here, that a free people cannot tolerate this. If they do, they are no longer free, but slaves to power.
And here is the problem, you provide a very clear example. You are putting your belief’s in place of the facts and saying that your belief’s are the truth.
I bring to bear on this issue not beliefs, but the same reasoning that is available to us all. Namely, based on natural law, based on the Constitution, based on how the Constitution has been written and interpreted over the past centuries. It is the reasoning of Jefferson, Madison, and the other founders. It is a reasoning participated in by any of us capable of thinking. And that reasoning is fairly simple. A government should not violate my person and my privacy simply on its whim. There has to be some cause capable of generating a warrant. And buying a airline ticket does not constitute a cause to be so searched. Not a belief. A fact.
but don’t expect me to allow falsehoods such as you seem to support and indeed seem to believe, go without challenge.
It is impossible for you to challenge what I've written. It is impossible for falsehood to challenge truth. It can only make noise.