Originally Posted by
billycorgan
Ok planemechanic, you aren't a tightwad. You are just too tight with your money to tip average service. You are just so cheap that you grossly undertip great service. I got it! You totally don't sound like a tightwad at all. Sorry how could I have made that mistake.
There is no such thing as "undertipping". When I go to the auto store for parts and the guy spends 30 minutes helping me get the right parts, suggesting alternatives at a cheaper price and then offering instructions to help the repair go smoother should I tip them as well? Do I tip the flight attendant who is there "primarily for my safety" when what I want most is a helpful person who can bring me food and water when asked? What about my dentist, who gets to know me far better than any waitress will ever know me, should I tip them too? What about the pharmacist who finds out all sorts of details that I would probably not share with a stranger in normal situations, should I tip them too? Do I want good service from all of them? Of course, and you would probably agree that they shouldn't be tipped. What are your reasons for not tipping them? Mine, they get paid to do the job that they are employed to do, and I should be able to expect that service from them when I engage their services through their employer. And they also make a good wage doing it.
And thats the point, no one should have to rely on a system of bribery to do their daily job. They should be paid a livable wage.
Originally Posted by
billycorgan
Even though you are the one personally responsible for causing them to lose money and therefore "waste" their time serving you. I am sure you would be completely ok with not getting paid for some of the hours/work you did while you were working right?
Yes, I would. If I accepted a job where I was not getting paid and relied and bribery to perform to acceptable standards. It would be my choice to accept that job, those conditions and those possible results. I don't find those outcomes acceptable, so I make the mature adult decision to not seek work at those employers. Every single wait person in American can make the same decision. Or they can live in a state like California where there is no $2.13 wage for wait staff, they are subject to the minimum wage, which in CA is also higher than the Federal minimum wage. Don't like working for minimum wages? Go get a better job.
Originally Posted by
billycorgan
How are you over paying for a meal?
If the menu says $10 for a burger and fries I expect the bill to come saying I owe $10. You are asking me to pay $11.50 for a burger that is cold and comes late with the pickle that I asked not to be there. Even if the burger comes and is EXACTLY how I like it and I would eat there again, the price of the burger and fries is $10, nothing more. If there burger is perfect and I become a repeat customer then that is good for the business and the worker, because without customers there is no business nor any workers.
Originally Posted by
billycorgan
If tipping didn't exist do you think prices wouldn't go up? If anything we are all underpaying for meals currently because prices would be higher if restaurants had to raise their payroll.
Pure speculation on your part.
Originally Posted by
billycorgan
If you know that if you go over to certain peoples houses it is customary to take off your shoes before you walk inside and you don't because their is no law or contractual relationship requiring you to do so you are rude.
Bad comparison. If I go over to someones house it is because I have a
personal relationship with them, and if I fail to heed their wishes in this matter I will either never be invited back or I will no longer be considered a friend.
If I order food in a restaurant it is because I am entering a
business transaction, and I am the customer. It is entirely possible for the business to ban tipping and pay their workers well, and if they do I am more likely to do business with them to encourage that behavior, but what I really want is the food I order to arrive in a reasonable amount of time and to be what I ordered.
Originally Posted by
billycorgan
If you go to a place where you know tipping is customary and the service isn't poor and you don't tip you are being rude.
Customs can and do change. 30 years ago a 10% tip was considered normal and acceptable, now you are advocating for 20% or more. It can go the other way. You are assuming tipping is the norm, but you probably have no facts on just how many people in America actually participate. Your anger and rude comments don't help your case.