No. It's a meta discussion about TB's effectiveness. TB may not be willing to listen to the members they supposedly represent when the members express unhappiness with what TB is doing... but that doesn't mean we cannot try to get TB to listen to the members on the issues where they do have the power to make a change, but refuse to.

Afterall, no-one, neither TB member nor anyone else, has produced a coherent argument for the status quo position, yet the feeling I'm getting is that there are TB members who don't agree with jackal's potential motion - but they are either unwilling or unable to produce an argument to support that disagreement which they feel will convince the members, the majority of whom have expressed a desire for change, who TB purports to represent.

If this motion doesn't get voted upon, it's obvious it's been opposed in the private forum, but those acting to kill it off don't have the balls to face the members they supposedly represent publicly to explain why.

Interesting debate this one, as an indication of what TB thinks of us members!