Originally Posted by
N965VJ
The point here is that crew and PAX are no longer going to comply with a hijacker's requests.
I agree, if they are given the chance to make that kind of choice. The most recent attempts have had absolutely no interaction with the passengers, they were just trying to destroy an aircraft. No negotiation involved in that. Pretty much leaves the passengers and crew out of the equation.
Originally Posted by
N965VJ
Ask the PAX that suffered severe burns while subduing the underpants bomber.
Yeah, he was a dumb terrorist. Really dumb. Stupid people tend to make those kinds of mistakes. Not all terrorists are stupid. @:-)
Originally Posted by
N965VJ
Poisonous gas? You should know that Part 121 aircraft have quick-donning full face masks with their own source of oxygen in the cockpit. What was it, the movie Airport '77 that had the the knock-out gas?

And these masks can detect poisonous gas and deploy all on their own? Ask the folks in Japan in the metro tunnel that were hit by Sarin gas how long it takes to kill.
Originally Posted by
N965VJ
Any firearm or explosive capable of breaching a Kevlar door would more than likely cause enough damage to the point of making the aircraft incapable of being in controlled flight. But since you've come up with scenarios like a Hollywood script writer,
here's an example of what the likely outcome would be like.

You might want to read up a bit more on Kevlar. Its not the absolute protection you seem to think it is.
Anyway, given the ease of the production of some poisonous gases, many explosives, and a whole host of other lethal little items it does not take a Hollywood writer to come up with things. And not everything Hollywood comes up with is impossible.
But I’m curious about something. You and others here keep tossing out all these various theories about buying off airport employee’s, TSA employee’s, etc, isn’t that even more of a “Hollywood” kind of thing than what I have sketched out? After all, the dead in the Tokyo (IIRC) subway Sarin attack were not actors. They were nowhere near Hollywood.