Originally Posted by Wally Bird

Like a good TSAer, you're playing language games. A BDO who lies ought to be fired but we both know that won't happen, whether you state it explicity, imply it or simply advocate it. It's moot so there's no point even mentioning it.

I think all BDO's should be fired whether they lie or not, but that's a whole other topic .

Originally Posted by studentff

Fantastic. I agree that it is always about individual rights. So let's take care of the individual rights of each individual that is part of the traveling public, visits an airport, or wishes to be safe in her home without worrying about LEOs barging in with guns blazing.

When you see "individual," it seems you think most about the cops' families. I think first about the people in the previous paragraph. Maybe we each relate more closely to those respective groups. Great. Let's protect both by fixing law enforcement and TSA so that hatred for their people doesn't fester in the law-abiding public.

I will clarify that I don't like the idea of punishing families for the actions of one. I really don't. I don't like a grade school teacher taking away privileges from an entire class because of the actions of a few troublemakers either. But absolutely nothing else is working to deter these law-enforcement thugs and TSA thugs that have been described in other incidents (e.g., PHL). The government is doing nothing about it, so it leaves the people to "handle" it themselves, which means the use of blunt techniques. Sometimes blunt, evil actions are necessary to preserve the greater good. The United States killed literally hundreds of thousands of "innocent civilians" in World War II. Is that a good thing? No IMO. Was it better then having let Hitler and Tojo have the world? Yes IMO.