Originally Posted by
pmocek
So while there's plenty of hearsay, we don't really know what their policy is. It would be nice if people would test the system, hopefully documenting their experience with photo and video.
That didn't go too well . . .
Originally Posted by
pmocek
I don't know. I would guess that their policy is similar to that which was described in the June, 2008, press release, but we know for sure that this was not the case a week later (unless they violated FOIA when providing that procedures manual).Until they publish their rules and policies, we can only guess.
What usually happens to you when you fly without ID?
Originally Posted by
pmocek
And remember that positions, rules, and policies are all different. The only credible information about this I've seen was the description of their operating procedures, not rules. Quoting that IDP announcement again: "These are “procedures”, mind you. Not policies. Not regulations. Not laws. Congress has never debated or approved any of this, nor has any judge or jury. The excerpts from the TSA manual that we received gave little hint of how much “discretion” the TSA thinks it has, or gives its minions at individual airports or checkpoints, to use “nonstandard” procedures if they feel like it."
An agency's procedures are based on their policies (or might be said to define what the agency policy is looking from the inside out). An agency's policies and procedures with respect to a given matter is likely to reflect said agency's position on said matter. Oftentimes, an agency's position will be that of the president.
Rules, regulations and laws refer to specific things (acts, CFR, etc), so I agree those terms are better left out of it. But procedure, position and policy seem to be so interrelated that I believe using them interchangibly does not confuse the discussion.