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Old Jun 29, 2010 | 1:17 am
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pmocek
 
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Originally Posted by LoganTSO
Originally Posted by pmocek
Originally Posted by SATTSO
I have encountered a situation like yours and the one you describe. It's quiet easy to deal with. A passenger refused to present ID, he wasn't allowed in. And I did not check his BP.
Why didn't you allow him in? He didn't break any rules, right? Was it because he didn't tell you his ID was misplaced or stolen? Do you think that his choosing not to show you what you wanted but were not entitled to see indicated that he would present a danger to other passengers on his flight? Did the fact that he did not utter the words "I lost it" indicate that he was dangerous? Had he bent over and kissed your feet, would you have continued to perform the procedure we pay you to perform instead of restricting the man's movement?
That's SOP. You choose not to show ID but are willing to go through the identity verification process and are cleared you can fly.
Are you sure about that?

On May 27, 2009, I wrote:
Originally Posted by pmocek
The Identity Project recently announced that they have received, via FOIA request placed in July of 2008, a copy of TSA's standard operating procedure as it pertains to attempts to verify passengers' identities prior to their crossing airport checkpoints.

Interestingly, the SOP conflicts with the information published by TSA about their "new" airport ID policy.

IDP writes:
In response to a request by the Identity Project under the Freedom of Information Act, the TSA has for the first time given us a (redacted) version of the section on Travel Document and ID Checks from the TSA’s “Screening Management SOP” (Standard Operating Procedures) manual. Our request was made June 21, 2008, the day the TSA announced what they claimed were changes to ID “requirements” for air travelers. It took the TSA almost seven months to respond.

The version of the SOP manual which the TSA has now made public is dated June 30, 2008, so it ought to reflect the changes announced in the TSA’s June 21, 2008 press release. But there is nothing at all in the sections of the manual the TSA has released about the new procedures and new ID verification form which the TSA had, in fact, started using. Rather than requiring people who don’t have or don’t choose to show government-issued ID credentials to execute affidavits stating who they are under penalty of perjury, the TSA procedures manual requires that such people be allowed to proceed through secondary screening as “selectees”, and specifically directs screeners and other TSA staff not to make any attempt to detain or delay them.

The TSA procedures manual states that the “Travel Document Checker” (TDC) must “ask to see” each person’s travel document. (”Travel document” appears to be used to mean “ticket” or “confirmation”, contrary to the international industry-standard usage of “travel document” to mean “passport or other ID”.)

The key words used are “ask” and “request”, not “demand”. The procedures further state:

If the individual’s identification documents remain suspect, the STSO [Screening Officer] must notify an LEO [law enforcement officer] for resolution….

Screening of the individual may proceed while waiting for an LEO response. If an LEO fails to respond within established airport timeframes, the STSO must process the individual as a selectee. If the individual clears selectee screening, do not attempt to detain or delay the individual from entering the sterile area for the purpose of obtaining LEO clearance….

Individuals who appear to be 18 years of age or older with a valid travel document, but without an ID, or in possession of an invalid ID, must be designated and screened as a selectee.
Any detention, search, or interrogation by a law enforcement officer, of course, would be subject to well-established legal standards for warrant, probable cause, or sufficent basis for suspicion.

The other key word in the phrase “ask to see” in the procedures is “see”, which would require only that you allow visual inspection of your documents. There’s nothing in the procedures requiring or authorizing the TDC to demand that you surrender possession or physical control of your documents, although in fact they often demand that you give them your documents and let go of them yourself.

Contrary to TSA claims to have firm legal authority for their ID checking and other screening practices, this section of the TSA SOP manual suggests that the TSA knows that their authority is limited, and in particular does not extend to detention, general-puprose search, confiscation of documents, or compelled responses to interrogatories.

These are “procedures”, mind you. Not policies. Not regulations. Not laws. Congress has never debated or approved any of this, nor has any judge or jury. The excerpts from the TSA manual that we received gave little hint of how much “discretion” the TSA thinks it has, or gives its minions at individual airports or checkpoints, to use “nonstandard” procedures if they feel like it.

If you’re going to be trying to fly without showing ID credentials, or without ones that the TSA finds acceptable, you might want to carry a copy of the procedures manual, to remind the TSA that they aren’t supposed to detain or delay you. If you do, please let us know how it goes.
Originally Posted by LoganTSO
If you choose not to show ID and refuse to undergo the standard ID verification, you don't fly, simple as that.
That's not the situation SATTSO described.

Originally Posted by LoganTSO
The man chose at first to restrict his freedom of movement, we weren't restricting it for him.
That doesn't even make sense.

Originally Posted by LoganTSO
Most of the time I accept damaged ID
And by "accept damaged ID" you mean "allow someone to pass through the security checkpoint with reduced scrutiny as a result of his presentation of damaged identity credentials," right? Do think that makes anyone any safer?
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