Originally Posted by
SWCPHX
The reality is that the stop and identify statutes in the various states from the Wikipedia cite earlier in the thread amount to a de facto present ID when lawfully stopped or detained by a LEO. The statutes requiring that you ID yourself to an officer are backed up by various obstruction clauses, lying to an officer, false representation/ID, etc.
Citing Wikipedia as authority, LOL.
Originally Posted by
SWCPHX
Yes Ari, a license is required to drive a vehicle, but if the person is stopped and can't present their DL, then what? Do you think they're arrested and fingerprinted for failing to present a DL? Wrong. They will get a ticket, their car may get towed, but they're not going to be arrested (not likely at least).
You really don't get it, do you? The whole topic of discussion here is whether an ID needs to be presented when
not driving. I don't know why you keep harping on this point about driving. It is ever so simple: A DL is required to drive. No one is disputing that point. If you are caught without one, or without one on you, you can be cited, or arrested/booked like
billinaz explained. You don't escape accountability. (See below about bond).
Originally Posted by
SWCPHX
As for the person who punches another person in a bar. Yeah, they would probably get arrested. They can provide a fake name and a fake date of birth for booking and as long as they've never been arrested before or fingerprinted, they're pretty much home free. They'll be held over until arraignment, given a court date to reappear, released either on bond or their own recognizance, and then when they fail to appear for punching somebody in the bar, a warrant will be issued to the fake name and the fake date of birth that they gave. Provided that they stay out of trouble that warrant will float around forever in the computerized justice information systems.
If they aren't satisfied you are who you say you are, they aren't going to release you on bond. @:-)
Originally Posted by
SWCPHX
You didn't really think that the police or any law enforcement agency has a magical database of everybody's fingerprints did you?
I didn't say that-- I suggested it was
one of the ways the police might identify someone. Obviously if someone isn't in the system, their prints aren't going to come back. Amazing you are able to read words into my posts that aren't there.
