Originally Posted by
TSORon
If an IED does not make it into the sterile area then the TSA has done its job. I understand you might have a problem with that, but the rest of the people I know wouldn't.
So if bomb explodes inside the sterile area = bad, but if the bomb explodes 20 feet outside where lots of pax and screeners are working = good?
Glad TSA's really keeping us safe there.
Originally Posted by
LessO2
'm not a lawyer, but I would imagine the legality is the whole implied consent thing, given that notification is posted (similar to the checkpoints).
I believe the whole implied consent thing is based on taking an affirmative action saying that you consent to an action. The courts have held that we have not submitted to a bag search until we place our bags on the x-ray belt.
I could put a sign up saying "Crossing this line may subject you to me beating you up." You look at the sign, cross, and I beat you up. Clearly illegal, but does that mean I get off scott free since you allowed me to beat you because simply by my placing a sign had no right or legal standing to place? That makes no sense.
I think you need more than a sign and crossing a line to get by the implied consent.
Originally Posted by
TSORon
They are more than welcome to throw their items out if they like, anytime before they bring it to the checkpoint. As for what happens once it is found AT the checkpoint, well let me ask YOU a question. YOU see someone setting a car on fire, do you call the fire department, try to put it out yourself, or walk away as it is none of your business?
Where is the difference between the situations? Why?
The difference is I'm a private citizen and I'm free to choose how to react to a situation. While trying to put out the fire and/or calling the fire department are the preferable actions and the moral decisions here, I'm under no obligation to do any of the above. My procedures as a private citizen aren't prescribed in law.
On the other hand, TSA's roles and responsibilities are defined in law. You (TSA collectively) are charged with keeping WEI off planes and out of the sterile area. Why? To keep us safe (TSA's justification for everything). TSA's taken that to the extreme and expanding that.
What it boils down to, Ronnie, is that you're trying to have it both ways. On one hand, you're telling me that TSA does all this stuff in an effort to keep us safe from WEI, but when TSA exposes us and its staff to that threat by cavalierly tossing potential EI in the garbage, you tell us it's not your job? Which is it, Ronnie.
TSA can't on one hand be ever expanding its paws into everything while ignoring things that are hard, inconvenient, or "not our job" when a flaw in TSA's process is pointed out.
Pick a position and stick with it.