Originally Posted by USirritated

I think you misunderstood, or misread what I was saying. I did not say that Delta CAN'T offer a good FF program and good upgrades at the same time! What I did say was that no LEGACY carrier, meaning no carrier which was in existence prior to 1978 airline deregulation, or their successors, and which has both domestic AND international routes, can be even close to profitability while offering both good upgrades, plus a good FF redemption plan. Delta can't do it, AA can't do it, Continental can't do it, USAirways can't do it, United can't do it, and believe it or not, before the merger, Northwest could not do it either. Now, before you vociferously object, please remember that NW was NOT profitable for basically most of its last 12 years of operations.