Originally Posted by
TSORon
Originally Posted by pmocek
Originally Posted by
TSORon
We dont stop a bag because it may have drugs in it
Really? Didn't you just tell us that when you find something that looks to you like illegal drugs, you stop what you're doing, call police, and wait for them to arrive and take over the investigation?
Yep, but when we open the bag drugs are never what we are looking for.
If for any reason you are searching someone's belongings, whether that be by hand or by X-ray, and you see something that looks to you like illegal drugs, you are going to "stop a bag" just as if you found something that looked like a weapon or an explosive, right?
Originally Posted by
TSORon
Originally Posted by pmocek
Originally Posted by
TSORon
if we go into a bag looking for your toothpaste and find your stash of dope then of course we notify a LEO.
I'm not sure why you'd be looking for toothpaste, but once you realized that it was not explosive, you're supposed to move onl. If while you're pawing through our belongings, you find something that is clearly not a weapon, explosive, or incendiary, but looks to you like it might be a substance that some people are barred from possessing in some places under some circumstances, why would initiating a police investigation of that substance take precedence over searching the next person for dangerous items?
Phil, I’m not going to get into the whole “legalize” issue with you.
I didn't ask you to do so. You brought up the topic of ending marijuana prohibition. I didn't.
Originally Posted by
TSORon
I just wish people would stop putting myself and my fellow TSO’s in the middle of their problems.
Those people probably wish that you would stay out of their business.
Originally Posted by
TSORon
When I find what I am looking for I stop the search. Period.
There must be some miscommunication, here. When you start your search of someone's belongings, whether that search be by hand or by X-ray, you're supposed to be searching for weapons, explosives, and incendiaries. In practice, you're also searching for controlled substances, evidence of immigrations violations, evidence of credit card fraud, and probably several other things. Do you mean to tell me that you will keep searching until you find one of those things? I doubt it.
Originally Posted by
TSORon
If between starting the search and that time when I find the prohibited item I am looking for I find your stash, I am going to call a supervisor and then move on to the next bag.
Isn't that precisely what you'll do if you find something that looks like a bomb or other weapon? In either case, you're looking through someone's belongings in an attempt to find things that are not supposed to be there. In either case, if you see something that looks like one of certain items that are not supposed to be there, you're going to stop and call a supervisor. You're only going to move on to the next bag if you can do so without releasing the one with the suspicious item. Please tell me the difference in your reaction to finding something that you suspect is an illegal drug and something that you suspect is a weapon.
Originally Posted by
TSORon
Originally Posted by pmocek
Originally Posted by
TSORon
And thats how the vast majority of drugs are found in TSA workplaces. We are searching a bag for a suspected prohibited item and we find the stash.
How is that different for your Congressionally-mandated search for weapons, explosives, and incendiaries? You search people's belongings, and if you see something that looks like a weapon, explosive, incendiary, or illegal drug, you take action, right? In some cases, you call the bomb squad, in some cases you confiscate the item, and in some cases, you call the police.
I don’t do any of those, I call a supervisor or offer the passenger the options on what they can do with their LGA’s.
I stand corrected. So if you find weapons, explosives, incendiaries, or drugs, you call a supervisor.
Now, please answer the question I asked. You search people's belongings, and if you see something that looks like a weapon, explosive, incendiary, or illegal drug, you take action, right? In each case, you call a supervisor. You're treating drugs the same as weapons when you search a bag, right?
According to what you've told us, weapons, explosives, incendiaries, and drugs are all treated the same by you, except that you say you're not searching for one of them, just the others. If you find any during your search, the result is the same. Am I missing anything?
Originally Posted by
TSORon
Originally Posted by pmocek
Looking at this a different way, you could just as easily say that you are not searching for bombs, but if you see something that looks like a bomb while you're digging around trying to find some toothpaste, you're going to report it.
Was that intended to make sense? Sorry, I don’t get your point.
Yes, I intended for that to make sense. What's the difference between 1) you searching for bombs but not drugs, and 2) you searching for bombs and drugs, if you're going to take the same action when you find bombs or drugs?
You keep telling us that you're not searching for drugs, and that you are searching for weapons, explosives, and incendiaries, but you're clearly searching for drugs as well. You tell us, "I"m not searching for drugs, but if I see them while searching your bag, I'll take action." I'm saying that we could describe what you do by saying, "TSA are not searching for bombs, but if they see one while searching a bag, they'll take action." You follow?
Originally Posted by
TSORon
Originally Posted by pmocek
Come on, Ron. You're not really searching for anything. You're simply searching people and their belongings. And when you find any of a number of items, you take action. Those items that, when found during your search, trigger further investigation, include drugs, right?
When I go into a bag on the checkpoint I know what I am looking for, or at the very least what it should look like. If I find something else (clothing, radios, sex toys, etc) then its just a part of the job. Large stack of paper look like blocks of cheese, which looks like blocks of C-4, which goes bang. Some CD players look like control circuits, with leads going to another area of the bag (head phones), near an organic item, which is what Semtex looks like, which goes bang. Under your ankle weights I can see something that also has a significant metallic content, which sort of looks like the slide to a semi-auto pistol I know about, even if it is your cell phone. Get the idea?
Ron, do you understand that when you look inside a bag with an X-ray machine, you are searching the bag? You may be trained to play fetch, but you TSA bag examiners as a group search
every carry-on bag. I don't care what you
say you're looking for, but the truth is that you're going to look at everything, and if you find something that looks like weapons, explosives, incendiaries, or drugs, your next step is
exactly the same: call a supervisor. This tells me that if what you're doing should be considered a search for weapons, it should also be considered a search for drugs.
I'd like to know how you summarize the following instructions: "Examine content of bag, either by hand and naked eye, or with the assistance of an X-ray machine. If anything in the bag appears to be a weapon, explosive, incendiary, illegal drug, large quantity of cash, or toothpaste, alert a supervisor." You can call it a search for gold or anything else, but it's still a search for dangerous items, drugs, cash, and toothpaste.