GG, excellent response with many valid points. Don't know how Hilton plans on covering all the points they give out, but that is why airlines also eliminated expiration dates because people were using them because they had to. Hilton has been a home run because of the addition of doubletree, Embassy and now Hampton's . just great. With kids I guess I'll just start getting two rooms. thanks for taking the time to write the good response. Also AMEX Hilton is better than the Marriott VISA> Diamond members have no blackout dates either.