The furthest commute you would want to do would be from the San Clemente area. If you go further south, you have to cross Camp Pen and that adds 15-20 minutes to your drive time just in distance alone. And it only gets you to Oceanside on the other end. OC is going to be much more gay friendly than Oceanside. As for the comments on the board and soemone who loves living in SoCal--I am laughing to myself, that Detroit is even being discussed as an alternative to living here. What is living here like?? well... beautiful people, beautiful cars, houses, beaches. I mean--its 75 degrees and perfect outside right now! I am going to head down and go surfing after work untill it gets too dark. And lets say you can not afford a million dollar house--big deal. People who are living well here--dont kid yourself. More places to see and be seen than anywhere. You can try a new restaurant every night of the week for years and years and never scratch the surface. You will someday find yourself sitting in a coffee shop and sitting next to you will be someone from a show you watched last night. You will eventually get caught up in the rat race and get yourself a nice car, and you will eventually find yourself at some Hot new club--and you may even find yourself doing a casting call for some lame show and ending up on live TV for NBC (happened to me--without even trying!) Life is exciting, and you never know what it will throw at you here. Now.....

Tell me the same is true for Detroit!

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