I thought it was pretty much brand new...I guess I'm wondering if anybody has inside info on them...Seatguru, interestingly, has uploaded AF's A380 seat configuration, but does not seem to have uploaded the 772 with premium voyageur. Do you happen to know if the Affaires seats on this config are lie flat? Like the lounge question, I am travelling with others....trying to figure out if it is worth the hassle getting them on Premium, my wife and I in Affaires for this trip.