I was one who applauded RP with the CC TO. I hope it sticks for a while longer and this is from someone who used CC quite often. It was part of my daily viewing routine through FT. Yet IMHO, this forum had taken a drastic turn for the worse in the last 2 years +/-. I've been on here (CC) since 2001 and the tone of the posting in general is quite nasty. For the first four or five years, it was so pleasant and friendly.. The last few have been anything but that.. yes there are some nice posts but overall.. its a business plain and simple
I am not denying that I myself could change my tone either, I could, I should and will have too if the revamped CC is indeed changed. On that note, I think the T/O needs to stay until RP has sufficient time to make the proper adjustments and vett them to the right people.. i'm assuming his mods and maybe in another thread prior to opening the show back up.. on that note.. here are some comments from my readings of the first four pages.. sheesh.. no work for me this a.m.
Finally, I DO see Gift Cards as a very large part of the problem. What i'm reading is those that do not see it that way are in most cases, the users of GCs to complete transactions.
Since this is the owners biggest concern, it belongs at the top
As my opening paragraph states, this forum has gone from the friendliest of places to a flat out business of buying and selling; even those giving things often appear to be making sure that they are using the word Karma just so that everyone knows it.. I know its not all but thats the feeling I get from some posters. they will then come back and throw these posts out when they are seeking a freebie. Sometimes its more than a coincidence.. it then starts to get nasty
great post ^
not sure a sticky is helpful.. those seem to get "forgotten" real fast
its still easy to fake an interest in a transaction.. even clarifications can be made to get ones point across, what i'm saying is that I do not see this as a solution
I'm not commenting on this particular deal as much as I am the point of the post. I do think that posts where there appears to be a big inequity in the W vs H, comments need to be made for two reasons. 1. first and foremost, once a trade gets commenced at a certain deal, there becomes an expectation that it is the going rate. I know there are exceptions to every rule like soon to be expiring VIP's or SWUs.. now that transactions are reported, its easy to see what the latest trade went for.. and worse off.. people could use this trade completed forum to manipulate prices.. but thats another topic.. 2. with the 90 post/90 day rule.. a lot of newbies come on and I've seen them make bad offers.. and they do like to be told that they would be better off changing their offers.. or vice versa.. they may be taken advantage of by many of our pros.
I whole heartedly disagree.. there is too much variance.. see my example for expiring SWU's or VIPs above.. its been tried a couple of times.. search CC for the hotel point valuation thread that never took off
I agree (bold my emphasis).. GC's are a major problem
i agree with 1-3.. i only agree with four if its put in the original post seeking something for a 3rd party.. or in the original post wanting for a 3rd party.. i just got my son 3P. he's not old enough to be on FT.. so technically i would not have been able to do that trade
I agree the W:? or everything in the book things need to go. That will be tough though when at least one mod has come out and said that he prefers this for various reasons.
Nothing is more annoying than W: H: Karma.. that Karma thread was great.. kudos to whomever started it.. Although I do think that thread along with the low ball thread played significant roles in closing this baby down.
yes you are LOL.. i am/was too.. I think those threads were great places for both sides to vett their opinions. I hope those type don't disappear
I personally am in the beggers need their own box forum.. say all you want about posting information elsewhere and being a productive member of FT. That goes for the vast majority of regular posters. CC is a unique animal (so is omni) that vastly differs from the rest of the forums. Hosting a few dinners or working on a wiki etc IMHO should not play much of a role in this.. others believe otherwise and so be it.. thats my two cents.. the begger subforum would be a huge additions
matter of fact, if I could make two changes that I think would help civility..
1. No GC's.. it eliminates that option.. and discussions about it
2. Free stuff forum... sub forum.. it would allow those who want to see who is giving stuff away for free to be easily identified.. it would be easy for the beggers to find the stuff they want.. and as a later post describes the MR sub forum for additional benefits
however I completely agree with you that the commercialization has caused this attitude and the lack of civility on the board.
I couldn't disagree more (bold my emphasis) with this post than any other on this thread. It is for these reasons that we have the uncivility. If not all, a great deal of it.. that would be my take after 8 years on the forum.
Pigs must be flying, it must be a cold day in he** b/c I am totally in agreement with Koko here
you want to buy/sell.. go to ebay.. it wouldn't surprise me if one of the reason you do it here is that you think you won't get caught by the airlines as much..
However I agree that if RP decides that he wants CC to be something different.. a marketplace for example.. make the right changes to the t&c's and make it pro g/c, cash etc.. and let the markets set the prices.. I hope he doesn't but if so I can adjust my m-o as well.
I do too.. i'm keeping my fingers crossed that we go this route
once again, thanks RP for the timeout, its well deserved and needed..