Well, it certainly appears the general consensus from all you expert fliers that BA is far superior to VS, I agree, although never having travelled VS do not intend to ever, as am very much a BA person having been crew many years ago, so I will be flying as always the BA flag. Love the CW, and only tried for the 1st time the new club seats as DXB took a long time to get them into operation. Next flight though is F with hubby the SYD to see our daughter and boyfriend who emigrated 1st June, and I know for sure F is a great product, but just wonder if we will get the full product in Jan. still not to worry, will enjoy it anyway.:-: