Originally Posted by
jkhuggins
I'm sorry; I still don't buy this.
First, even if we do collectively stand for our rights, we can still end up losing them. It's not like "standing for our rights" is sufficient in all cases.
Second, I'll buy that we may collectively get what we deserve, but not individually. I still don't think it's my fault when someone breaks into my house, and I've taken reasonable precautions to secure it. I didn't force someone else to commit B&E against me.
You are right sometimes just standing for our rights in not sufficient, sometimes you have to fight and die for those rights. (first)
I think that was what TSORon was saying.
Originally Posted by
jkhuggins
Third, there are other reasons someone might not "stand for their rights" besides laziness and fear. Sometimes there are pragmatics involved. (With respect, Trollkiller, you yourself said that you'd be willing to be a test case challenging the TSA, but only if someone else provided the money. Isn't defending your personal liberty worth going into bankruptcy? Or are you lazy or fearful?)
I'm trying not to get this too far off-topic (and, yes, failing miserably, thank you very much). But telling the geeky kid that it's his own fault that the playground bully took his lunch money is just plain wrong.
That is a fair question, is the fight worth bankruptcy? Yes it most certainly is.
Unfortunately that is not my problem. I have no house to hock for legal fees, I have no savings to tap for legal fees, I can't sell my car for more than enough to cover one billable hour of legal fees. I can't afford the filing fees to defend this myself. This is not a case of being scared of losing the money, this is a case of the money simply not being there.
All I have at my disposal to offer is myself, so that is what I have done.
Offering myself still holds an incredible amount of personal risk. If the run in costs me my job I am stuck. I would have to go back to rent by the week hotels in the bad part of town just to have a roof. I would have to work day labor in hopes of keeping that roof.
I offer me, what do you offer? (serious question, not a slap)