Oh, not automatic for sure. It's just that if I was gonna give odds, I'd give better odds to it being allowed.

You can come up with examples and arguments for any way you want. All I'm saying is none of that matters. The only thing that matters is what 5 or more old folks want. They can come up with whatever argument they want and any other argument, valid or not, doesn't mean squat. I dunno. Maybe I've gotten too cynical. I've just come to accept that there is no "right" answer in law, it's just what you can convince the court to back.