Sorry, I havent had time for a detailed reply. But I have gotten over 25% off from authorized brick and morter dealers on both Breitling and JLC. timezone.com, a forum like this for watches has excellent advice. I have found 20% to be a first offer on most things at big box watch stores in Manhattan, although you have to convince them you are serious, they are happy to sell at list if you let them. I will post more later tonight, but luxury goods sales are down like 35%-40% from last year. This has got to be an excellent time to buy.