Yes and its rich coming from a poster who assumes that Italy automatically adds 10% as a tip, he is obviously well adversed in the lonely travellers guides but not in real life. Like I said the attitude of how "we helped those poor people so we gave them a tip" makes you feel good. I think haven spoken to many service staff who tell me they dont earn minimum wage but dont tell the punters makes me laugh when I see postings like this one. Its a myth the way people like this think they are helping people survive and raise their families, I am laughing my socks having read this post