Originally Posted by
CO FF
First of all, any discussion of best (open on shabbat) deli in NY has to start with 2nd Avenue Deli, 33rd between 3rd & Lex.
Now, on to my soapbox: All the deli's that are open on shabbat are under Ortho. Rab. supervision, and they comply with the legal (fiction) requirement of selling the business for shabbat. I don't know why it is that so many people are unwilling to accept this as kosher, but would willingly eat meat that was produced by underpaid 15-year old illegal immigrant workers as kosher. After all, apologists for the Rubashkin family have made it clear that kashrut is all about technical compliance with specific legal requirements, right?
I hope someone can explain...
this is OT but 1- i dont apologize for the Rubaskin family and personally feel they should be spending time behind bars, but people have done alot worse and either beat the rap or due to whom they know got very reduced sentences if not no hard time at all
a 15 yr old is not the 1 that is certifying that anything is Kosher or not. They were simply robots doing work that has nothing to do with if something is Kosher or not. Otherwise you should be walking around in your birthday suit and barefoot, since most likely the people who made them were way under paid , worked in horrible conditions and also were most likely not in school and underage.
After all alot of non-Jews are actually cooking the food yet it still remains Kosher , under certain conditions it wouldnt be
Sorry but obeying Laws , being Moral and if something is Kosher or not are separate issues, although most liberal Jews do Not want to see it that way, thats their problem. I wonder how many of these same Jews pay the taxes for their Domestic help , make sure that help is Legal, same for those that take care of their Lawns and Pools etc etc. If they are under charged for something do they tell the person that they were undercharged and ask to be charged the coreect higher price?
If a Rabbi is not present to see what if any shipments come in or if anything is brought into the place or the kitchen and the owner is not Shomer Shabbat (and sorry to say in some cases even if they are) a person cant rely on the Kashrus. Im speaking from the viewpoint of someone who worked in a so called Kosher kitchen and trust me the waiters brought in coffe with milk and put it down anywhere they wanted and spilled it all over the place at times, thats besides the Big Macs they eat in the kitchen yes Big Macs