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Old Nov 2, 2008 | 7:28 pm
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SFflyer123
 
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Originally Posted by LarryJ
There is no RADAR service of oceanic airspace. Airplanes are separated using non-RADAR procedures.

Non-RADAR separation is much the same as how trains are separated on the railways without the railroad controllers being able to "see" the train.

The flights are given specific routes and altitudes to fly and are required to make position reports at particular points. The position report will inlude the time and altitude at which you crossed the reporting point, your estimated time for reaching the next reporting point and the name of the reporting point after that. The air traffic controllers separate aircraft by not clearing them into the same areas, at the same altitude, at the same time. The required separation distance is much greater than when RADAR separation is used.

A lack of RADAR does not mean a lack of communication. Communication with ATC is maintained through satalite data link (new) or high-frequency radio contact through a 3rd party (usually ARINC, Inc.). Requests and clearances are relayed in this way.
Wow, this is great information. How about some follow up questions?

1) If a plane is over oceanic airspace and they are experiencing horrible turbulence, and they want to chagne altittude or change course, do they just radio ATC the same way they do overland and get a course/altitude adjustment?

2) With GPS on so many planes these days (I can see them on the "map" function), how come they don't just track planes via GPS (have the plane transmit its position) over oceanic airspace in addition to this old-school mapping?

3) Who manages oceanic airspace? Americans? Europeans?

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