i have been reading this board for a couple of years and have gained so much from the wisdom of others. Thank you for sharing-- although i have not contributed much here i do help others i know who do not frequent the board with the wisdom and info i have gleaned from here. I absoulutely consider myself a newbie-- still do not understand all the different codes for diff classes of fares etc etc.- i guess one is an oldie when one has the confidence a newbie (like me) doesnt.