Originally Posted by
LessO2
However, a lot of good words and ideas get lost in the shuffle through the second grade-like actions that are somewhat common in here -- like calling Chertoff "Skeletor." What the hell does that accomplish? It may make you feel good to "stick it to the man" that way, but the problem is that those posts get nearly equal weight as with the ones with ideas and solutions.
While on the subject, do we really need to call TSAers "McDonald's rejects" or something like that? Yeah, I've run into some real jerks at checkpoints, yet I've run into some very pleasant people. Calling them "McDonald's rejects" or something like that might make you feel happy and/or tough behind the keyboard, but it really puts this forum in a bad light.
It also seriously dilutes the time-consuming work people like bocastephen are making through the 527 group.
IMO we the FFs who are impacted by TSA-caused indignities more than the average citizen need a place to vent, and thus the "second-grade" type terms and comments are expected and not inappropriate. That FT is our "venting place" makes all the more important efforts like
bocastephen's sensiblesecurity.org, where IMO such second-grade terms would be inappropriate. In no way do I see posts here diminishing those efforts, unless he were to post a link to this forum from the site, which I doubt he would.
While I'm not a big fan of the McDonald's reject terms, nor do I typically call Chertoff Skeletor even though I do appreciate the sentiment, I will admit to using KHIAI in both letter and spirit, and I have referred to certain specific screeners who commit specific actions as goons. I'm fine with that. Were I granted a face-to-face with Chertoff or Hawley, I would not use such terminology. But this forum is not a face-to-face with those guys. If they wish to come here and engage us in discussion, I'd show a little more respect for them as people in those conversations. But I still believe the architects of the no-fly list should be tried on treason charges.
Grass-roots uprisings have never been entirely civil. It's not like the American Revolutionaries, even prior to open hostilities, were in the habit of being civil to either the British Crown or the "front-line" colonial government agents. IIRC a lot of burning in effigy and ugly written satire were involved, in addition to outright illegal acts such as property destruction and worse.