Article: Encore Q400s could take over these Delta routes
#16
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I believe that the new Bombadier C/Airbus A220 should be added. It would be a much better aircraft and provide more capacity for routes like Calgary-Yellowknife or Calgary-Brandon, Toronto-Ottawa/Montreal etc.
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If I remember correctly Delta's A220 order is more or less split evenly between the 100 and 300 series (I think it's about 40 - 45 frames of each). I expect we will see both versions used on different transborder routes, it's a good size for many of DL's existing transborder flights.
#20
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I have a feeling Boeing going to be in a "lets make a deal" mode. Take those deposits and move them over to a 787.
#21
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The issue is why does WS want the Boeing 737-7 (MAX). An aircraft that has had very few sales and the rest of the world (other than Southwest) has passed on.
I have a feeling Boeing going to be in a "lets make a deal" mode. Take those deposits and move them over to a 787.
I have a feeling Boeing going to be in a "lets make a deal" mode. Take those deposits and move them over to a 787.
- Range that is 560km further than the MAX 8 & 9 and 1,120km further than the MAX 10.
- Lower landing fees at many airports.
- Better runway performance (shorter take-off and landing for the same number of passengers as on any other MAX variant), allowing operation into airports other variants can't operate into.
#22
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The main reasons to have the MAX 7 are:
- Range that is 560km further than the MAX 8 & 9 and 1,120km further than the MAX 10.
- Lower landing fees at many airports.
- Better runway performance (shorter take-off and landing for the same number of passengers as on any other MAX variant), allowing operation into airports other variants can't operate into.
- Range that is 560km further than the MAX 8 & 9 and 1,120km further than the MAX 10.
- Lower landing fees at many airports.
- Better runway performance (shorter take-off and landing for the same number of passengers as on any other MAX variant), allowing operation into airports other variants can't operate into.
#23
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I can’t see Southwest not staying with Boeing and WestJet will need to change it’s business model somewhat around niche narrow body markets such as serving some Caribbean destinations with short runways or smaller Canada to Europe or Hawaii routes too small for the 787 but too far for the MAX 8 or 10 at full capacity, such as YYZ-LIS, YHZ-FCO or YWG-OGG.
#24
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A Delta Connection E175 (flown on SEA-YVR, for example) is so much more comfortable than an Encore Dash 8... For one, the seat pitch on the 175 is 34 inches in C+ with a width over 18 inches, whereas the Dash 8 is 30" and 17", respectively. Feels like the CRJ-200 sardine can all over again, except now with propellers. Delta will need to be very careful to not lose their elite customers on these routes. Also, Westjet and Delta will need to integrate their elite benefits much better before they contemplate this: reciprocal baggage allowance, seat selection, on-line check in, etc. Right now there is hardly any coordination between them, and there is hardly a better way for Delta to lose elite customers than to nickle-and-dime them in a Westjet way, where DL elite status is not generally recognized.
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A Delta Connection E175 (flown on SEA-YVR, for example) is so much more comfortable than an Encore Dash 8... For one, the seat pitch on the 175 is 34 inches in C+ with a width over 18 inches, whereas the Dash 8 is 30" and 17", respectively. Feels like the CRJ-200 sardine can all over again, except now with propellers. Delta will need to be very careful to not lose their elite customers on these routes. Also, Westjet and Delta will need to integrate their elite benefits much better before they contemplate this: reciprocal baggage allowance, seat selection, on-line check in, etc. Right now there is hardly any coordination between them, and there is hardly a better way for Delta to lose elite customers than to nickle-and-dime them in a Westjet way, where DL elite status is not generally recognized.
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I am not sure how these partnerships work, but if Delta would consider replacing it's flights with Westjet flights, would the reverse not be happening with some Westjet flights replaced with Delta flights that would free up capacity for these Q400 planes?
I am very interested to see how this all plays out.
I am very interested to see how this all plays out.
#27
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I am not sure how these partnerships work, but if Delta would consider replacing it's flights with Westjet flights, would the reverse not be happening with some Westjet flights replaced with Delta flights that would free up capacity for these Q400 planes?
I am very interested to see how this all plays out.
I am very interested to see how this all plays out.
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Similarly, I'd be equally disappointed if Rogue became the only non-stop choice to Florida.