The WestJet 737 MAX 8 thread

Old Mar 18, 2019, 1:32 pm
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Originally Posted by FlyerJ
(And on a slight tangent, who would have written this? It’s like a thesaurus was dropped into a blender to build one big, long sentence. It goes way past even typical “corporate speak” ... bordering on plain ol’ awful grammar.)
It is exactly what a lawyer would write, which is likely the source, or it was at least completely vetted by the legal dept.
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Old Mar 18, 2019, 5:55 pm
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One of my friends was manning the keyboard in a crisis situation and they had a lawyer, a vice president, a couple engineers, a lobbyist and a local government emergency coordinator wordsmithing a statement mostly by shouting over one another until they had a word salad everyone could agree on that was roughly two paragraphs that said something happened, we will tell you about it later, let us know if you smell anything funny.
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Old Mar 18, 2019, 10:56 pm
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Originally Posted by FlyerJ

This seems to hint that the Max8 isn’t making a quick return - even with news of a Boeing software update to MCAS coming in the next ten days. It sounds like they know they’ll need to do a lot to coax passengers back on board.
The problem is that the vast majority of passengers have no idea what aircraft they are on and don't care - UNTIL something like this MAX incident captures greater attention. Now they will be asking, at least for a while, what plane they are on and is that one that crashes and kills people. Yes, a PR problem.

I recall many years ago how often people would refer to any large airliner as a "747" - more a "kleenex" about brand dilution in a mildly flattering way as opposed to the 737MAX where there might be a wish that aircraft could apply for legal name changes.
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Old Mar 19, 2019, 6:43 am
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Originally Posted by robsaw
The problem is that the vast majority of passengers have no idea what aircraft they are on and don't care - UNTIL something like this MAX incident captures greater attention. Now they will be asking, at least for a while, what plane they are on and is that one that crashes and kills people. Yes, a PR problem.

I recall many years ago how often people would refer to any large airliner as a "747" - more a "kleenex" about brand dilution in a mildly flattering way as opposed to the 737MAX where there might be a wish that aircraft could apply for legal name changes.
DC-10 becoming MD-11 springs to mind.
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Old Mar 19, 2019, 8:19 am
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Given that AC have announced removal of MAX from their timetable to July 1st, do you think we'll see something similar from WJ shortly?
https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2019...7-MAX-Aircraft
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Old Mar 19, 2019, 9:20 am
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Originally Posted by aerobod

It is exactly what a lawyer would write, which is likely the source, or it was at least completely vetted by the legal dept.
Yep. But if only they’d had a communications person there too — somebody who could have tweaked the sentence slightly to make it, well, coherent. It’s an important message, worth communicating in clear, approachable language.
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Old Mar 19, 2019, 9:23 am
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Originally Posted by AtlanticXpat
Given that AC have announced removal of MAX from their timetable to July 1st, do you think we'll see something similar from WJ shortly?
https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2019...7-MAX-Aircraft
I think they have to. There’s no doubt that they’ll be grounded well into the summer. The 787s are now relieving the pressure on YYC-YYZ. Once they get pulled into Europe service (which I’m sure will happen on time and as planned) they’re going to have a real lack of narrowbody metal.
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Old Mar 19, 2019, 9:29 am
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Originally Posted by AtlanticXpat
Given that AC have announced removal of MAX from their timetable to July 1st, do you think we'll see something similar from WJ shortly?
https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2019...7-MAX-Aircraft
We are meeting a friend at YYT on May 31 - he's booked on AC from LHR. I just went into AC.com to do a dummy booking and they are still showing a Max 8 LHR-YYT.
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Old Mar 19, 2019, 12:27 pm
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Originally Posted by FlyerJ


I think they have to. There’s no doubt that they’ll be grounded well into the summer. The 787s are now relieving the pressure on YYC-YYZ. Once they get pulled into Europe service (which I’m sure will happen on time and as planned) they’re going to have a real lack of narrowbody metal.
Hmm, I have mid July travel booked YYT-YHZ-LGW for the family which is currently scheduled on a MAX. Wonder what'll happen. Suspect we'll end up flying via YYZ or worse still getting flights cancelled. AC was approx double the cost for YYT - LHR on the same dates.
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Old Mar 19, 2019, 12:27 pm
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Originally Posted by Frequentlander
We are meeting a friend at YYT on May 31 - he's booked on AC from LHR. I just went into AC.com to do a dummy booking and they are still showing a Max 8 LHR-YYT.
Guess they are still working on updating schedules. Don't think your friend will be flying direct to YYT though.
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Old Mar 19, 2019, 3:36 pm
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I'm on a TATL trip May 24 flying YYJ --> GLA (via YYC - YHZ) .... Has anyone heard if they are cancelling / reallocating aircraft for flights toward the end of May?
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Old Mar 19, 2019, 6:05 pm
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Originally Posted by fkvemshagen
I'm on a TATL trip May 24 flying YYJ --> GLA (via YYC - YHZ) .... Has anyone heard if they are cancelling / reallocating aircraft for flights toward the end of May?
What a painful routing. You should hope that they cancel your flight and give you a better alternative!
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Old Mar 19, 2019, 6:34 pm
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Originally Posted by cedric
What a painful routing. You should hope that they cancel your flight and give you a better alternative!
YYJ-YYC-YHZ-GLA is only an hour slower than the quickest route which is YYJ-SEA-KEF-GLA, but crossing two additional borders and having to arrive earlier for US pre-clearance will eat up much of the time saving and add risk to missed connections, especially as WestJet and Air Canada are the only airlines that can provide an end-to-end journey on their own metal both taking about 15.5 hrs, all others require codeshare.
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Old Mar 19, 2019, 7:02 pm
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Originally Posted by cedric
What a painful routing. You should hope that they cancel your flight and give you a better alternative!
I would check with Westjet and try to get onto one of the dreamliner flights from YYC to LGW and then take a train or European ULCC from LGW to GLA.
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Old Mar 19, 2019, 7:14 pm
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Originally Posted by aerobod

YYJ-YYC-YHZ-GLA is only an hour slower than the quickest route which is YYJ-SEA-KEF-GLA, but crossing two additional borders and having to arrive earlier for US pre-clearance will eat up much of the time saving and add risk to missed connections, especially as WestJet and Air Canada are the only airlines that can provide an end-to-end journey on their own metal both taking about 15.5 hrs, all others require codeshare.
There's no preclearance in YYJ
Even sticking with WS partners, DL/KL via SEA/AMS would be much better as you have a 10 hour flight to get a proper sleep on.
Next best option within the WestJet partner environment would be YYJ-YVR-AMS-GLA on WS/KL. Longer layovers but again a proper 9h30m flight to get some rest on.

The WestJet option is a 1.5 hour flight, 2h49m hour layover, 4h46m flight, 1h34m layover, 5h24m flight. That's what I meant by painful. No way someone can fly that itinerary and be able to feel rested upon arrival.
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