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CUPE & WS Cabin Grooming Update: WS asks FA's to "write up" pilots

CUPE & WS Cabin Grooming Update: WS asks FA's to "write up" pilots

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Old Jan 11, 19, 9:13 pm
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CUPE & WS Cabin Grooming Update: WS asks FA's to "write up" pilots

So much for peaceful labour relations and the fostering of a team work environment.
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WestJet has asked Flight Attendants to “write up” Pilots who do not “volunteer” for this work. The Pilots’ contract does not include language directing them to clean the aircraft on a complimentary basis.

Flight Attendants have made it very clear to the Local 4070 Executive that they will not accept being accountable for unpaid cleaning of the company fleet on an ongoing basis.
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https://westjet.cupe.ca/2019/01/11/grooming-update/

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Old Jan 11, 19, 11:41 pm
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It seems as though the days of being a LCC is falling further and further into the review mirror. The boys over AC must be having a chuckle or two as they read the CUPE note.
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Old Jan 12, 19, 2:37 am
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Originally Posted by AltaBound View Post
IThe boys over AC must be having a chuckle or two as they read the CUPE note.
Seems AC is still digesting their own CUPE turbulence.

I wondered when the pilots arbitration verdict was handed down how long it would be before pilots stopped grooming planes.

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Originally Posted by tcook052 View Post

I wondered when the pilots arbitration verdict was handed down how long it would be before pilots stopped grooming planes.
I think some will help as a courtesy to the FA's, I've seen this at Jazz where when able the pilots will help the FA's groom at stops where there is no grooming staff. I think the issue is being forced to groom as part of their duties as pilots is what is offensive. Good luck with the company trying to discipline pilots for not grooming, it will only poison the already strained relationship even more.
Pitting one employee group against another make you wonder what is going through the minds of the big wigs at HQ.
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Old Jan 12, 19, 5:20 pm
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I think some will help as a courtesy to the FA's, I've seen this at Jazz where when able the pilots will help the FA's groom at stops where there is no grooming staff. I think the issue is being forced to groom as part of their duties as pilots is what is offensive. Good luck with the company trying to discipline pilots for not grooming, it will only poison the already strained relationship even more.
Pitting one employee group against another make you wonder what is going through the minds of the big wigs at HQ.
I can tell you that everything focuses on cost savings. Unfortunately many of the decisions that are being made and put into action have an end result in frontline employees doing more with fewer resources. The people at the bottom of the totem pole, with the lowest pay and that most significantly impact customer satisfication are feeling the burden the most by management's decisions. They keep putting together initiatives to save $100,000 here and $300,000 there but it is impacting operations negatively and they are losing the morale of their people.

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I can tell you that everything focuses on cost savings. Unfortunately many of the decisions that are being made and put into action have an end result in frontline employees doing more with fewer resources. The people at the bottom of the totem pole, with the lowest pay and that most significantly impact customet satisfication and feeling the burden the most by management's decisions. They keep putting together initiatives to save $100,000 and $300,000 there but it is impacting operations negatively and they are losing the morale of their people.
Good analogy, the last thing WS needs right now is trying to pit employee groups against each other...beside it won't work.
Time for HQ to rescind this edict!!
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Old Jan 12, 19, 10:13 pm
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Originally Posted by james dean View Post
Good analogy, the last thing WS needs right now is trying to pit employee groups against each other...beside it won't work.
Time for HQ to rescind this edict!!
Perhaps I don't fully understand the nature of this issue. It sounds like it is the union that represents the FAs that is instructing the FA to write up pilots that don't help with the cleaning duties.

If the company want to bring an end to it quickly they would just ignore the write ups and move on.
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Originally Posted by Fiordland View Post
Perhaps I don't fully understand the nature of this issue. It sounds like it is the union that represents the FAs that is instructing the FA to write up pilots that don't help with the cleaning duties.

If the company want to bring an end to it quickly they would just ignore the write ups and move on.
It looks like it's the company that is asking the FAs to write up the pilots. From the CUPE Blog:

"WestJet has asked Flight Attendants to “write up” Pilots who do not “volunteer” for this work. The Pilots’ contract does not include language directing them to clean the aircraft on a complimentary basis."
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Yes and from the FA CUPE blog FA's won't be doing unpaid grooming for long either:

https://westjet.cupe.ca/news/

Flight Attendants have made it very clear to the Local 4070 Executive that they will not accept being accountable for unpaid cleaning of the company fleet on an ongoing basis.
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Old Jan 13, 19, 12:08 pm
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Yes and from the FA CUPE blog FA's won't be doing unpaid grooming for long either:

https://westjet.cupe.ca/news/

Flight Attendants have made it very clear to the Local 4070 Executive that they will not accept being accountable for unpaid cleaning of the company fleet on an ongoing basis.
So perhaps as a result of this we can look forward to a level of aircraft cleanliness more on par with AC. If so this is a very negative development.
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Could Sim's replacement becoming soon!
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If we could drag the union mentality kicking and screaming into the 20th century we’d only be one century behind.

It seems that some of them think they’re still working in the coal mines of the 1860s.
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Could Sim's replacement becoming soon!
I'm of the opinion that he won't be around at the end of the year. He just doesn't seem to be the right guy to move Westjet toward success in the future. He has the support of a lot of employees and level of trust is at an all time low. He talks a lot about trust and building relationships but it seems really shallow.
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Old Jan 13, 19, 2:56 pm
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Originally Posted by calgaryhhr View Post
He talks a lot about trust and building relationships but it seems really shallow.
Especially the bonehead decision to issue a memo to the FA's to write up pilots, I mean c'mon!!
Besides it looks like the FA's are not going to comply (write up fellow crew members) anyway...so what's HQ's plan B?
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Old Jan 13, 19, 3:04 pm
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Especially the bonehead decision to issue a memo to the FA's to write up pilots, I mean c'mon!!
Besides it looks like the FA's are not going to comply (write up fellow crew members) anyway...so what's HQ's plan B?
Who would expect such a strategy to work in the first place?
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