TSB says passengers slowed WS evacuation by taking carry-on bags
Jul 11, 2018, 12:47 pm
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TSB says passengers slowed WS evacuation by taking carry-on bags
The TSB report is out on the incident at Pearson on Jan 5 — when a Sunwing plane was pushed back into a WS 737.
https://ift.tt/2zqlCR4
Numerous evacuating passengers took their carry-on bags with them, and slowed the evacuation. In spite of FAs telling them not to. In other words, some idiots felt that their stuff was more important than the lives of people behind them.
https://ift.tt/2zqlCR4
Numerous evacuating passengers took their carry-on bags with them, and slowed the evacuation. In spite of FAs telling them not to. In other words, some idiots felt that their stuff was more important than the lives of people behind them.
Jul 11, 2018, 12:57 pm
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I would advocate electronic latch disconnects for all new aircraft bag bins (and a retrofit program over a reasonable period for existing aircraft), only allowing them to be opened when deemed appropriate by the aircrew and/or regulations.
Jul 11, 2018, 1:51 pm
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Would that speed up the process, or would the same people be their try to force open the bins blocking the walkway in the process.
Jul 11, 2018, 1:59 pm
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I would hope that by including the fact that bins are locked in the safety briefing, having flight attendants add "bins are locked, evacuate now" to their shout and other guests/passengers just pushing them out of the way would help speed things up, at the very least by not having large carry ons blocking doors and aisles.
Jul 11, 2018, 2:00 pm
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The TSB report is out on the incident at Pearson on Jan 5 — when a Sunwing plane was pushed back into a WS 737.
https://ift.tt/2zqlCR4
Numerous evacuating passengers took their carry-on bags with them, and slowed the evacuation. In spite of FAs telling them not to. In other words, some idiots felt that their stuff was more important than the lives of people behind them.
https://ift.tt/2zqlCR4
Numerous evacuating passengers took their carry-on bags with them, and slowed the evacuation. In spite of FAs telling them not to. In other words, some idiots felt that their stuff was more important than the lives of people behind them.
Jul 12, 2018, 9:33 am
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Frankly any passenger who does this should also be subjected to an IATA/all-airline ban from ever stepping foot on a plane again in their lifetime. They’re a safety hazard, and should not be allowed to fly.
(I wonder if there’s any data - or even just video - of who took bags during this evacuation at Pearson!?)
Jul 12, 2018, 1:57 pm
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Love it!
Frankly any passenger who does this should also be subjected to an IATA/all-airline ban from ever stepping foot on a plane again in their lifetime. They’re a safety hazard, and should not be allowed to fly.
(I wonder if there’s any data - or even just video - of who took bags during this evacuation at Pearson!?)
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Jul 12, 2018, 3:01 pm
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+1 - and I'd also advocate for criminal charges along the lines of reckless endangerment.
Jul 12, 2018, 11:26 pm
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And too too many airlines just gloss over them - WestJet included. I often wonder why both WS and AC both downplay the ‘pre landing exit door reminder’ at the end of a long flight. They both say something like “Transport Canada makes us read this vague script about door locations ...” rather than “please pay attention and figure out where the nearest emergency exit is before we land, in case we need to evacuate”.
Those issues with safety briefings (along with the lack of common sense that tcook mentioned above) were all too apparent in that Southwest incident a few months ago. When the oxygen masks dropped, few had any clue what to do. Many had the mask over their mouth (but not their nose). Wrong. Many held the mask to their face - and only occasionally - rather than using the elastic strap (which utterly defeats the purpose, particularly if you pass out). And, sadly, we know all this because many passengers made filming videos with their phones their top priority during an in-flight emergency where one person had died and the entire flight was at risk. Unfreakin believable.
Jul 13, 2018, 6:36 am
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In an emergency evacuation I will not be delayed by people retrieving their personal items. They can take it up with me on the tarmac afterwards if they survive.
Jul 14, 2018, 4:50 pm
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Stop incentivizing people to bring their baggage in the cabin.
Is there a single recorded instance of evacuating passengers attempting to breach the baggage hold to retrieve their checked baggage from a flaming plane?
Is there a single recorded instance of evacuating passengers attempting to breach the baggage hold to retrieve their checked baggage from a flaming plane?
Jul 16, 2018, 8:09 pm
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If you read the TSB report, which can be found here some interesting facts are found.
- Three seconds after the fire started panicked passengers opened one of the over-wing exits and began to evacuate, well before the command to evacuate, and while the engines were still running. It seems to me this is far more dangerous than taking carry-on with you.
- 20 seconds after the fire started one of the rear exits was opened, possibly by a FA, and slides deployed, also before the command to evacuate. It appears that the engines were still running at that time.
- In working the relevant checklist, the FO skipped a step he/she deemed unnecessary, which resulted in the emergency lights not illuminating.
- The command to evacuate was given 49 seconds after the fire started.
- The TSB states that passengers bringing carry-on baggage slowed the evacuation, but they offer no evidence as to how they reached this conclusion nor do they state how much delay was caused (I am in no way suggesting that taking carry-on is inconsequential, only that we don't know from this report how consequential it was.)
- The evacuation took 3:09 from when the first exit was opened, 2:23 from when the evacuate command was made. This equates to 1.08 seconds per person. Assuming that 7 of the 8 exits were in use, which appears to be the case from the report, it took 7.6 seconds per person to evacuate.
- During certification it was demonstrated that evacuation of the aircraft can be completed in 90 seconds. Presumably this is determined from a drill in which there would be no panicking passengers.
Aug 1, 2018, 11:47 am
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A news report on CBC’s The National about the problem.
Here’s the video:
Plane passengers saving baggage before themselves | CBC News
The problems, in a nutshell:
1. Hardly anyone pays attention to the safety briefing.
2. Regardless of whether they do or don’t, too many people are just plain stupid.
Here’s the video:
Plane passengers saving baggage before themselves | CBC News
The problems, in a nutshell:
1. Hardly anyone pays attention to the safety briefing.
2. Regardless of whether they do or don’t, too many people are just plain stupid.
