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which airline(s) are going to fill Virgin void ? (internationally)

Old Dec 20, 2020, 7:09 am
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which airline(s) are going to fill Virgin void ? (internationally)

now that corona is almost over, pent up demand for international travel is so huge, some airline or airlines will surely fill the void, by lack of Virgin services to NZ, Fiji, LAX etc. but which airlines ?

LAX alone had around 6,000 Virgin seats a week from BNE, SYD, MEL.

Virgin had up to 24 flights a week to Fiji. I guess initially Fiji Airways will send widebody A330s/A350s instead of B737s, but when their flights to LAX & SFO resume, they won't have enough aircraft to meet demand.

Could Virgin use Alliance E190s for flights to NZ & Fiji ?
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Old Dec 20, 2020, 7:42 am
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Originally Posted by OZFLYER86
now that corona is almost over, pent up demand for international travel is so huge, some airline or airlines will surely fill the void, by lack of Virgin services to NZ, Fiji, LAX etc. but which airlines ?

LAX alone had around 6,000 Virgin seats a week from BNE, SYD, MEL.

Virgin had up to 24 flights a week to Fiji. I guess initially Fiji Airways will send widebody A330s/A350s instead of B737s, but when their flights to LAX & SFO resume, they won't have enough aircraft to meet demand.

Could Virgin use Alliance E190s for flights to NZ & Fiji ?
Umm, what? Corona is almost over? I suspect there will be limited international travel to and from Australia for some time. No need for another long haul airline.
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Old Dec 20, 2020, 2:35 pm
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Umm, what? Corona is almost over? I suspect there will be limited international travel to and from Australia for some time. No need for another long haul airline.
ok, it'll be a few more weeks, but end in sight.

Question is ...

will Virgin codeshare international services, or will another existing airline fill the voids.

Suspect it will be a combination of low cost carriers. That's probably what will boom in the next year or 2, I think.
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Is that demand even existed? Australia, as a whole country, is not exactly famous for tourism, comparing to other cities in the world.
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Originally Posted by garykung
Is that demand even existed? Australia, as a whole country, is not exactly famous for tourism, comparing to other cities in the world.
don't know % of Australians that flew on VA to LAX, but think it would have been over 50% of all passengers. Imagine to Fiji, would have been closer to 90% & to NZ probably around 50%.

Australia used to get a lot of inbound tourism. Costing Australia 100s of billions of dollars having borders closed.
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Originally Posted by OZFLYER86
don't know % of Australians that flew on VA to LAX, but think it would have been over 50% of all passengers. Imagine to Fiji, would have been closer to 90% & to NZ probably around 50%.

Australia used to get a lot of inbound tourism. Costing Australia 100s of billions of dollars having borders closed.
I really don't think so! More than half of all Aussies going to LAX flew on Virgin?
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I really don't think so! More than half of all Aussies going to LAX flew on Virgin?
NO !!!

More than 1/2 of all pax on VA flights to LAX were Australian.
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wonder if Scoot or another airline would be interested in flying some of VA old routes ? They could surely get 5th freedom rights to fly the Tasman.

They could probably fly to USA with 1 stop in some friendly Pacific nation, that wanted flights. Presume all Pacific nations would have traffic rights to Australia, USA, Canada & New Zealand.

One stop is not an issue as many Australians fly Air NZ & Fiji air to USA.

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Originally Posted by OZFLYER86

Australia used to get a lot of inbound tourism. Costing Australia 100s of billions of dollars having borders closed.
No. It's not.
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Originally Posted by bensyd
No. It's not.
it's not what ?

Are you trying to say it's costing less than few hundred billion dollars ? Seriously ?

Anyway, back on topic. Perhaps initially Air NZ will fill void left by Virgin, across the Tasman by sending bigger jets & more jets & then crack up flights to USA & Canada.

Perhaps Fiji Air will concentrate on certain long haul routes like LAX maybe ?

Cathay could probably operate all Hong Kong/Fiji flights & codeshare. Similarly with other destinations ?

Who else ?

Pent up demand is huge, but price of airfares will determine how many will travel.
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Originally Posted by OZFLYER86
it's not what ?

Are you trying to say it's costing less than few hundred billion dollars ? Seriously ?
Anyone who thinks international tourists bring in hundreds of billions of dollars needs their head read.
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Anyone who thinks international tourists bring in hundreds of billions of dollars needs their head read.
Indeed. Its something like 3% of GDP, adding a little over A$ 57bn to the economy. Three quarters of that, however, is domestic tourism.
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Indeed. It’s something like 3% of GDP, adding a little over A$ 57bn to the economy. Three quarters of that, however, is domestic tourism.
Yes exactly. And, the Australian economy is ~$1.8t if having the border shut was costing "hundreds of billions" we wouldn't have an economy that was ~98-99% of what it was at the start of the year.
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This is something I am interested in reading. It would be nice if we could stick the to the topic please.
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Originally Posted by LondonElite
Indeed. Its something like 3% of GDP, adding a little over A$ 57bn to the economy. Three quarters of that, however, is domestic tourism.
don't forget the airfares.

So it's AUD$57b according to you source. Multiply that by how many years ?
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