ANA (NH) Redemptions using VS Flying Club points - thread locked Sept 2022
Apr 26, 2020, 3:14 pm
#1021
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 1,702
If it were me I'd be filing a chargeback at this point. Not because I don't mind waiting a bit longer but because I need to protect my rights. You don't want to run down the clock and then be left with no recourse.
Apr 26, 2020, 7:08 pm
#1022
Join Date: Apr 2020
Posts: 1
What is the exact time ANA awards open up on VS? Midnight BST 331 days out?
Apr 27, 2020, 11:11 am
#1023
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Queens, NY
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On Weds Apr 22nd, I was able book NH F JFK/HND round-trip for March 2021 in the hopes of being able to run the Tokyo Marathon.
Same deal - 120k VS miles + $230usd in taxes
Lots of IF's here:
- will NH still be running JFK/TYO routes then
- will VS go belly up and thereby rendering my 120k Flying Club round-trip redemption null and void
- will Japan be accepting tourists without quarantining them
- will the Tokyo marathon happen
Same deal - 120k VS miles + $230usd in taxes
Lots of IF's here:
- will NH still be running JFK/TYO routes then
- will VS go belly up and thereby rendering my 120k Flying Club round-trip redemption null and void
- will Japan be accepting tourists without quarantining them
- will the Tokyo marathon happen
Apr 27, 2020, 11:33 am
#1024
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 1,702
On Weds Apr 22nd, I was able book NH F JFK/HND round-trip for March 2021 in the hopes of being able to run the Tokyo Marathon.
Same deal - 120k VS miles + $230usd in taxes
Lots of IF's here:
- will NH still be running JFK/TYO routes then
- will VS go belly up and thereby rendering my 120k Flying Club round-trip redemption null and void
- will Japan be accepting tourists without quarantining them
- will the Tokyo marathon happen
Same deal - 120k VS miles + $230usd in taxes
Lots of IF's here:
- will NH still be running JFK/TYO routes then
- will VS go belly up and thereby rendering my 120k Flying Club round-trip redemption null and void
- will Japan be accepting tourists without quarantining them
- will the Tokyo marathon happen
Apr 27, 2020, 8:10 pm
#1025
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I did a couple of weeks ago. AMEX US (bought on my AMEX Plat) filed the paperwork but since it is a 10 month old charge they've told me that they aren't able to actually refund me if Virgin doesn't respond because they no longer hold those specific funds in escrow so can't simply refuse payment and reverse the charge.
Apr 28, 2020, 8:23 am
#1026
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 1,702
I did a couple of weeks ago. AMEX US (bought on my AMEX Plat) filed the paperwork but since it is a 10 month old charge they've told me that they aren't able to actually refund me if Virgin doesn't respond because they no longer hold those specific funds in escrow so can't simply refuse payment and reverse the charge.
Apr 28, 2020, 9:28 am
#1027
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Very odd, I was able to open two chargebacks for charges made about nine months before on my Amex Plat for airline tickets back in late March. Opened them via chat since they were beyond the time frame I could open them up via the website. There was zero pushback. Assuming you haven't tried again I would try again and if that fails, I'd follow up with a complaint with the CFPB and/or the Amex Executive Office.
Apr 30, 2020, 4:07 am
#1028
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: SFO/YYZ
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Just booked SFO-NRT F, HND-SFO Y for March. Will change the return when the calendar opens. I figure the possibilities are:
1. No change to Flying Club
2. Devaluation of ANA chart
3. VS liquidates, miles gone
Already have the miles in my account so all I’m risking is losing $230 in taxes if case 3 happens, and better to book now if case 2 happens.
1. No change to Flying Club
2. Devaluation of ANA chart
3. VS liquidates, miles gone
Already have the miles in my account so all I’m risking is losing $230 in taxes if case 3 happens, and better to book now if case 2 happens.
May 1, 2020, 9:53 am
#1029
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Finally got my refund today. They did not appear to charge the change fee (it wasn't deducted from the refund and no charge was put on my card). I appreciate that though would have been fine to pay it.
Interestingly they sent me a refund sheet which appears to show the full cost of an NH F award ticket to Virgin of ~$1250. And no, even though the bottom says they are issuing me a refund for $1522 they did not, it was only the taxes and fees (x2) that were refunded as expected:
Interestingly they sent me a refund sheet which appears to show the full cost of an NH F award ticket to Virgin of ~$1250. And no, even though the bottom says they are issuing me a refund for $1522 they did not, it was only the taxes and fees (x2) that were refunded as expected:
May 1, 2020, 4:51 pm
#1030
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: SFO/YYZ
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Finally got my refund today. They did not appear to charge the change fee (it wasn't deducted from the refund and no charge was put on my card). I appreciate that though would have been fine to pay it.
Interestingly they sent me a refund sheet which appears to show the full cost of an NH F award ticket to Virgin of ~$1250. And no, even though the bottom says they are issuing me a refund for $1522 they did not, it was only the taxes and fees (x2) that were refunded as expected:
Interestingly they sent me a refund sheet which appears to show the full cost of an NH F award ticket to Virgin of ~$1250. And no, even though the bottom says they are issuing me a refund for $1522 they did not, it was only the taxes and fees (x2) that were refunded as expected:
May 1, 2020, 5:41 pm
#1031
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 610
Finally got my refund today. They did not appear to charge the change fee (it wasn't deducted from the refund and no charge was put on my card). I appreciate that though would have been fine to pay it.
Interestingly they sent me a refund sheet which appears to show the full cost of an NH F award ticket to Virgin of ~$1250. And no, even though the bottom says they are issuing me a refund for $1522 they did not, it was only the taxes and fees (x2) that were refunded as expected:
Interestingly they sent me a refund sheet which appears to show the full cost of an NH F award ticket to Virgin of ~$1250. And no, even though the bottom says they are issuing me a refund for $1522 they did not, it was only the taxes and fees (x2) that were refunded as expected:
May 1, 2020, 7:47 pm
#1032
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 1,702
+ Interesting data and fits what certain experts have stated that partner awards are generally pretty cheap relative to the retail rate for airlines.
May 1, 2020, 8:16 pm
#1033
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This was for ORD - NRT // HND - ORD (F both directions) and this was the per-ticket "refund" so there was a duplicate one of these against my wife's ticket number.
I've never seen one of these for other redemptions so don't know how this compares to an F award via UA or AA or AS and I wonder if UA or other *A members pay that same rate for an NH redemption.
I've never seen one of these for other redemptions so don't know how this compares to an F award via UA or AA or AS and I wonder if UA or other *A members pay that same rate for an NH redemption.
May 2, 2020, 4:34 am
#1034
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It's just as likely to be the internal accounting cost of a VS mile as it is the amount paid to ANA. That number looks rather high to be honest - VS would charge more miles with that much cash changing hands.
May 2, 2020, 10:04 am
#1035
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: PDX
Programs: DL DM, AS MVP 100K, Amtrak peon, Colbert Lifetime Platinum
Posts: 4,534
Just booked SFO-NRT F, HND-SFO Y for March. Will change the return when the calendar opens. I figure the possibilities are:
1. No change to Flying Club
2. Devaluation of ANA chart
3. VS liquidates, miles gone
Already have the miles in my account so all I’m risking is losing $230 in taxes if case 3 happens, and better to book now if case 2 happens.
1. No change to Flying Club
2. Devaluation of ANA chart
3. VS liquidates, miles gone
Already have the miles in my account so all I’m risking is losing $230 in taxes if case 3 happens, and better to book now if case 2 happens.
