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Hannibal Lecter Jun 29, 2010 1:47 am


Originally Posted by Thunderroad (Post 14212016)
As another American in my 6th decade here, I also am in almost full agreement with PTravel. Have never tipped or heard of tipping front desk personnel, though I realize Vegas might be an exception to that rule.

A couple of small differences with PT: As a former bartender and taxi driver, perhaps I'm a bit biased, but I'd say that the minimum for a taxi is 15 percent and that for great service from a waiter/bartender/taxi you could go above 20 percent. On the other hand, if you feel someone's attitude was really lousy, don't feel obligated to give even 15 percent. (On the other hand, if the service is really slow, take into account whether it was the waiter or bartender's fault.)

As someone mentioned, in NYC you might find that the expectations and tips are a bit higher than the rest of the country.

leave 1 cent just to make a point :)

polar_b Jun 29, 2010 1:59 am


Originally Posted by wbl-mn-flyer (Post 14209882)
A $20 tip at to the front desk, at check-in (discretely) has amazing power to produce an upgrade, for example.

Be very careful with that one. "The 20-dollar trick" is frequently discussed over in the LV forums on Tripadvisor. Many hotels have a policy preventing front desk personnel from receiving any kind of money or gifts. At other hotels front desk staff may appreciate a tip but they are not allowed to just "dole out" upgrades. Some front desk staff would even be offended by you trying to discreetly slip them a twenty when handing them your credit card. Just as with airlines, money and loyalty talks so you should rely on hotel loyalty programmes rather than a tip to get you that coveted upgrade.

tooblue Jun 29, 2010 2:03 am


Originally Posted by polar_b (Post 14212131)
...Just as with airlines, money and loyalty talks so you should rely on hotel loyalty programmes rather than a tip to get you that coveted upgrade.

Sounds right to me.^

PTravel Jun 29, 2010 2:32 am


Originally Posted by polar_b (Post 14212131)
Be very careful with that one. "The 20-dollar trick" is frequently discussed over in the LV forums on Tripadvisor. Many hotels have a policy preventing front desk personnel from receiving any kind of money or gifts. At other hotels front desk staff may appreciate a tip but they are not allowed to just "dole out" upgrades. Some front desk staff would even be offended by you trying to discreetly slip them a twenty when handing them your credit card. Just as with airlines, money and loyalty talks so you should rely on hotel loyalty programmes rather than a tip to get you that coveted upgrade.

All I can say is that it works very well at the Venetian.

T8191 Jun 29, 2010 2:46 am

As a regular visitor the fair State of Virginia, always staying at the same location and now knowing most of the staff there, this Brit is well trained! :D

We always take small gifts with us [like proper chocolate ;)] which we distribute to Reservations, Front Desk and Bar/Restaurant. Last year Kristen expressed a desire for "After Eight" mints, so she gets those .... &c &c

Perhaps our approach is a little different, as it's almost our 2nd home, but we still do the cash tips for obvious reasons. And we always get our favourite suite.

ajax Jun 29, 2010 2:48 am


Originally Posted by HilFly (Post 14210538)
British people do have a reputation for being lousy tippers in the U.S..

I'd never come across this stereotype for British tourists in the US before. I'd heard (and experienced) it for others, but not British.

Swanhunter Jun 29, 2010 2:51 am


Originally Posted by PTravel (Post 14210173)
... When in Rome . . .

The issue isn't whether you like it, whether it seems logical or appropriate to you, or whether you think it is not constructive. It's how we do things here. When I'm a guest in someone else's country, I always abide by the social conventions and expectations of that country, whether I agree with them (or understand them) or not.

^

And if you don't like the custom, don't go to the country. @:-)

Sherwood Hampton Jun 29, 2010 3:06 am

Tipping somebody on reception to get a room upgrade is one of the most vulgar things I have heard of. :rolleyes:

PTravel Jun 29, 2010 3:09 am


Originally Posted by Kamal Toe (Post 14212254)
Tipping somebody on reception to get a room upgrade is one of the most vulgar things I have heard of. :rolleyes:

Las Vegas is one of the most vulgar places I've been -- what's your point?

usAir Jun 29, 2010 3:46 am

I'm surprised, we usually tip the maids when we travel, usually a minimum of $5, or for longer stays, $2-3 per day (always a great way to get rid of coins). Depending on where we are, sometimes we tip a little beforehand too.

squeeler Jun 29, 2010 4:16 am


Originally Posted by David-A (Post 14210089)
If I found an employee doing that, I'd sack them.

That's why I'm curious to know if it is officially tolerated etc? I'd be amazed if it was. If it isn't, I don't go around participating in bribery and fraud.

Officially tolerated by whom? As most of these employees are in a union, there is probably 'eff all that an employer can do.

Deckard Jun 29, 2010 4:17 am

Brits have had a reputation as lousy tippers for as long as I've been visiting the States. I remember once a couple of decades ago in an upmarket restaurant on the East Coast I was presented with a saucer of olive oil with some roasted garlic cloves and some bread. I asked the waiter for some butter (not having a clue what the oil was for) and he exclaimed "with pleasure sir, but don't you want to try our garlic/olive oil combo?". I shamefacedly replied that I had no clue what to do with it and he gently explained. When he'd finished I thanked him for not humiliating me as I would have expected in say a Parisien restaurant. He was aghast - "but how do these waiters expect to make a living from their tips? We rely on tips to live - we can't afford to treat people like that". Ever since I've never tipped less than 20% of pre tax.

Also yes, $2 a day for chambermaids. If staying more than one night it makes the stay nicer in many subtle ways.

indianwells Jun 29, 2010 4:27 am

I'm British and I tend to over tip if anything. I would be mortified if someone thought I was a cheapskate. Strangely though, in a fancy restaurant I will work out a 20% tip. When in a WaffleHouse or similar for breakfast in the middle of nowhere I will often leave 30%-50% as the waitstaff are often far more friendly and need & appreciate the tip more.

ung1 Jun 29, 2010 4:43 am


Originally Posted by serfty (Post 14210199)
Note that in the USA employees in industies/roles where tipping is customary (such as waitstaff and bellhops) have a legislated basic wage of $2.13 per hour:

I was under the impression this had recently been or was in the process of being increased to something like $5.89/ hr to reduce the dependence on tips.


Originally Posted by wbl-mn-flyer (Post 14211202)
Depends.

At a posh place, certainly. But then you're likely to get good service, and also likely to give them a tip.

Your typical waiter or waitress is quite likely one of the many workers in the US who pay no federal taxes, when it is all said and done. The tax system is overly generous on the entry level workers, and rapidly aggressive on the middle-level workers. And extraordinarily generous to the idle or working rich who live in the "mostly 15%" federal tax bracket.

At a posh place, the food costs more, so that 15% equals substantially more than it would at somewhere inexpensive.

I don't understand how the working rich pay 15% taxes? The federal tax rate for those earning over, say, $171k/ year is 33%.

Himeno Jun 29, 2010 4:56 am

I don't tip unless said tip has been earned.


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