Originally Posted by T/BE20/G (Post 12404431)

Here's the planned schedule:

A/C . . . Delivered . . . Suites Installed
279 . . . 7/09 . . . . . . 1/10
280 . . . 7/09 . . . . . . 1/10
281 . . . 9/09 . . . . . . 11/10
282 . . . 11/09*
283 . . . 12/09 . . . . . 11/10
284 . . . 3/10*
285 . . . 3/10*
286 . . . 5/10*
287 . . . 5/10*
288 . . . 8/10*
289 . . . 10/10*
290 . . . 12/10*
291 . . . 3/11*
292 . . . 5/11*
293 . . . 6/11*

*: Airplanes delivered with the Suites

Originally Posted by PHL (Post 12407036)

Surely they can come up with a way of shuffling those 2 odd-ball 332's in for reconfig before Summer 2010 rather than waiting an entire year. Hopefully they won't put those 2 odd-man 332's on premium routes that passengers pay top dollar for the suites. PHL-LAX would be nice if the T1 gates at LAX could actually handle the wingspan without displacing WN....

Originally Posted by ClueByFour (Post 12407650)

Don't they need at least 2 332s to run to TLV? At all times?

Originally Posted by DCAorBust (Post 12395470)

The press release says 20 seats on the 332, which is the same as current. That would be five rows of 1-2-1. It's silent on the 333, but AC manages to get 27 beds in front of 2L/2R on its 333, in what I would call a 1-1-1 config, so it doesn't seem too far-fetched. US might also take the opportunity to drop some closet space and reconfig the front galley to gain space in Envoy.

If you look at the US 332, it currently achieves 20 seats with a 4 row, 60" pitch layout. If you can get 5 rows of suites into that space, then I think this suggests that the suites require about 48" of pitch. The 333 has 5 Envoy rows w/ approx 60" pitch, plus one row of sleeper at 96". Back of the envelope math suggests that this would be enough space for 8 rows at 48", which would give you 32 suites (a net gain of 2 seats).

As far as "sit together," US's proposed layout is actually the first herringbone design that enables companions to sit together--and half the cabin is available as such. All other designs are either aisle apart or adjacent in the column, but different rows.

Originally Posted by tahitigirl (Post 12408788)

Does anyone know if they plan on doing something with coach on the older 330? New seats and IFE?

Originally Posted by ClueByFour (Post 12407650)

Don't they need at least 2 332s to run to TLV? At all times?

There was a time when PIT-LAX and CLT-LAX were run with 767s. I'm too lazy to look up the wingspan differences with a 332, nor do I recall if US has given up gates at LAX since then.

Originally Posted by PHL (Post 12409305)

Indeed, PHL-LAX was served with the 767 until around 2004. The wingspan is 156 feet/1 inch. Both the A332 and A333 are 197 feet/10 inches. If I recall, one limitation of the gate area at T1 was that the 767 was as big as they could cram in there. But I also recall reading something here not long ago that even now there isn't room for a 767 without displacing WN for the time it sits there.

Originally Posted by gordo6 (Post 12404827)

Hi, Thanks for that. What is your source?
When you say 11/09 - you mean the end of November 2009 or the beggining of November 2009?
Do you know why aircraft 283 will be delievered without the new envoy?
Is there any chance that US will confirm in advance which A332 routes will be operated by aircrafts with the new envoy, like UA did after they just started refetting their 767 and 747 with their new business and like BA does with their new club world? If they will confirm, is there any chance you know if the TLV route will have the new envoy by May?

THX in advance.

Originally Posted by T/BE20/G (Post 12411168)

If the ship numbers hold as planned, though, you can look at the gate before deciding whether to "GoEnvoy" or not :p

Originally Posted by allyc (Post 12599564)

...I wonder what united thinks of this advertising that seems aimed at pointing out their deficiencies, and what US has done to fix them...