justhere

That's the point though. The airline isn't trying to make paying passengers wait. The sooner the crew ends their government mandated rest period, the sooner they can work again. Giving them 30 more minutes just delays the next flight by 30 minutes.
Trust has nothing to do with it. Why even take the risk that you are going to delay a flight and inconvenience passengers while looking for and rerouting a bag. Even if you find that bag quickly, you have to have someone take it to the other flight. That person is now not unloading or loading passenger bags.
Not sure which rule or rules you are referring to. Does your job have government mandated rest rules? Didn't think so.
It isn't. Again you are missing the point. The issue is having a process in place that allows for maximum crew flexibility, minimizing cost, and inconvenience as few customers as possible.
You aren't paying my salary. Not sure why you think that and I never said I was more important.
Even if all delays were within airline control, why wouldn't the airline want to do whatever it could to minimize those delays and the impact to customers?
United, like most other airlines, doesn't charge anything for a coke. The fact that you threw out such hyperbole suggests that you are not really interested in understanding the issues but rather you are more interested in criticizing just for the sake of it. That's just my opinion and I apologize if I have misunderstood why you asked that.

justhere

Unless your entire day is spent in a SIDA area, you at least have the opportunity to purchase food outside of an airport or hotel during the day.

justhere

That's far from true. Many industries have to deal with rules created by agencies such as the FAA, DOT, OSHA, DEQ, TSA, etc, etc. And the airline industry does function. Is it perfect? No. But if you don't like the idea of mandating crew rest time then lobby your elected officials to change it.

Keep in mind that airlines often schedule crews with the minimum of rest time so they meet the mandated time and nothing more.

aztimm

Isn't there a FAR related to carry-on bags?

What does this say about crew bags?

justhere

Pretty sure that the FAR's talk about passenger rules and that the airline has to have a program in place and follow it. If the airline's rules don't limit crew members, then they are following their program if they limit passengers to 1+1.

While I realize a crew member traveling is a passenger, they are most likely considered auxiliary crew members and aren't part of the passenger carry on program.

Doesn't mean it is right or wrong and clearly people have very differing views on this but it's the current rules and the airlines are following them.

aztimm

How would the FAA treat this?

There either are rules or there aren't, and the rules should be enforced uniformly. If there isn't a separate rule for, "crew deadheading," or even for, "crew traveling to Europe who need 3 extra bags," then they should follow the same rules as everyone else.

Over the years I've looked at airline forums here on FT, I've seen countless FA's claim that, "I'll be fined by the FAA if someone has extra or oversize bags."



Perhaps we need an FAA inspector to look at everyone on board, regardless of why they are on the aircraft.

justhere

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but here's how I believe it works. FAR 121.589 states that no passenger may board if their carry on baggage exceeds the allowance in the certificate holder's operations specifications.

So that means that it is very possible an FA could be fined if they allow a passenger to board with baggage that exceeds the carrier's allowance in their operations specifications.

What that also means is that if the certificate holder's operations specifications state that crew may have additional bags, then a crew member with additional carry on's is not violating the allowance in the operations specifications.

Bottom line is simply that the FAA says you have to have a rule and follow it, whatever that rule is even if it treats passengers and crew (working or otherwise) differently.

aztimm

Thank you for finding the FAR #, here is the exact text:
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-201...sec121-589.pdf

I take this to mean that this regulation doesn't apply to crew working the flight, but everyone else seated in normal seats on the aircraft (passengers) are subject to this FAR.


Back to the OP: I would report the incident to the FAA. US isn't following the policy that they have in place.

justhere

Respectfully, I believe you are mistaken. As a way of illustrating this, look at the carry on policies ov WN and F9 compared to the legacies. They allow slightly larger carry on bags.

Why is that material to this discussion? Because it illustrates that the FAA doesn't set the carry on rules otherwise they would be the same for all airlines. The FAA just states that the airline has to have a plan and follow it.

You, nor I, know what US's operations specifications state. So for you to say that US isn't following the policy is based on your assumption that their operation specifications state that all passengers, including crew members not working, are restricted to 1+1. While it is certainly possible it says that, I would think it is highly unlikely.

There are many reasons why an airline would allow its employees to carry on more than 1+1 so it is likely that their operations specifications specifically state this.

Lastly, as often as it happens, there is no way that it wouldn't have come to the FAA's attention in some way and that the FAA would address it, and we'd hear about it if it were a violation.

aztimm

I'd leave any judgement call to the FAA.

Back to the OP again....
https://www.faa.gov/contact/
Bolding mine.

GalleyWench

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